Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 48.35

Ascetics and Brahmins (2nd)

Dutiyasamaṇabrāhmaṇasutta — Sukhindriyavagga

Setting
Not specified in the source
Speakers
The Buddha, addressing the mendicants directly
Form
A contrastive statement, repeating the same fourfold structure for each of the five faculties in turn
Length
1–2 minutes to read
Northern parallel
No individual parallel confirmed by this project's own check
Significance
★★★★☆ — mirrors SN 48.30's own fourfold structure, but carries NO vagga-closing colophon or uddāna, confirming this vagga does not close at five discourses the way Chaḷindriyavagga closed at ten

Why this discourse

This discourse mirrors this project's own SN 48.30 closely — the same fourfold structure (understanding, origin, cessation, and the practice leading to cessation) applied to each of the five feeling faculties individually — but its own source carries no vagga-closing colophon or uddāna, only the bare marker “Pañcamaṁ” (“the fifth”), confirming by direct reading that Sukhindriyavagga continues past this discourse rather than closing here the way Chaḷindriyavagga closed at ten.

Reading guide

The same fourfold structure as SN 48.30

Confirmed by direct reading, this discourse repeats SN 48.30's own itemized structure exactly: rather than bundling the five feeling faculties as SN 48.34 did, it applies the fourfold judgment (understanding a faculty, its origin, its cessation, and the practice leading to its cessation) to each of the five faculties in turn — pleasure, pain, happiness, sadness, and equanimity.

No vagga-closing colophon here, unlike SN 48.30

Confirmed by direct reading of this discourse's own source, there is no vagga-closing formula here matching SN 48.30's own “Chaḷindriyavaggo tatiyo” and its uddāna verse — only the bare ordinal marker “Pañcamaṁ” (“the fifth”). This project's own honest reading concludes Sukhindriyavagga does NOT close at five discourses; more of this vagga's own discourses remain to be read fresh, without assuming they will match Chaḷindriyavagga's own length or further structure.

Confirming a decision made rather than assumed

This project's own methodological note: this discourse vindicates the deliberate choice, stated explicitly at SN 48.34's own reading guide, not to assume this vagga's sequence would match Vagga 3's own length — the close tracking of discourse TYPES (plain, stream-enterer, arahant, ascetics-and-brahmins) did not extend to a matching total COUNT of discourses.

Key terms

Sukhindriyavagga — “the vagga of the pleasure faculty” — this vagga's own name, now confirmed to continue past its own fifth discourse
sukhindriyaṁ, sukhindriyasamudayaṁ, sukhindriyanirodhaṁ, sukhindriyanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ — “the faculty of pleasure, its origin, its cessation, and the practice leading to its cessation” — the fourfold structure applied to each of the five faculties in turn
Pañcamaṁ — “the fifth” — this discourse's own bare closing marker, notably NOT accompanied by a vagga-closing colophon or uddāna
sāmaññatthaṁ vā brahmaññatthaṁ vā — “the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin” — what genuine understanding of each faculty allows one to realize
Dutiyasamaṇabrāhmaṇasutta — this discourse's own Pāli title, “the second ascetics-and-brahmins discourse” — matching SN 48.30's own title exactly, for the previous vagga's own corresponding closing pair

The text

The complete discourse. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1“Mendicants, there are these five faculties. What five? The faculties of pleasure, pain, happiness, sadness, and equanimity. Mendicants, there are ascetics and brahmins who don’t understand the faculty of pleasure, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. There are ascetics and brahmins who don’t understand the faculty of pain … happiness … sadness … equanimity, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. I don’t deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables don’t realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and don’t live having realized it with their own insight. There are ascetics and brahmins who do understand the faculty of pleasure, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. There are ascetics and brahmins who do understand the faculty of pain … happiness … sadness … equanimity, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation. I deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and live having realized it with their own insight.”

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Self-check quiz

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Question 1 of 3
How does this discourse's own structure compare to SN 48.30's?
Correct: A. A close structural mirror, applied to a different faculty set.
Question 2 of 3
What does this project's own reading guide conclude about this discourse's own closing marker?
Correct: A. Confirmed by direct reading — only the bare marker "Pañcamaṁ," the fifth, with no colophon or uddāna.
Question 3 of 3
What methodological point does this discourse's own structure confirm?
Correct: A. A deliberate methodological choice, now vindicated by this discourse's own source.
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