Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 56.16

Remembering (2nd)

Dutiyadhāraṇasutta — Dhammacakkappavattanavagga

Setting
Not given — continuing directly from SN 56.15's own setting
Speaker
The Buddha and an unnamed mendicant, in question-and-answer exchange
Form
The identical dialogue as SN 56.15, with a refutation clause added after the first and fourth truths
Length
2–3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
No individual parallel confirmed by this project's own check
Significance
★★★ — the sixth of ten discourses, its own added clause confirmed by direct comparison against SN 56.15

Why this discourse

Confirmed by direct comparison against SN 56.15, this discourse repeats the identical dialogue structure, adding a defiant clause after the first and fourth truths: if any ascetic or brahmin claimed that what the ascetic Gotama teaches is not the true first (or fourth) noble truth, and proposed to deny it and describe another in its place, “that is not possible.”

Reading guide

A defiant clause, added twice

This project's own direct comparison against SN 56.15: the same recitation now carries an explicit challenge — naming the possibility that a rival ascetic or brahmin might reject the Buddha's own formulation and substitute a different one, then flatly denying that such a substitution is possible, for the first and fourth truths specifically (the second and third left elided, presumably sharing the identical structure).

Key terms

yo hi koci samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā evaṁ vadeyya — “if any ascetic or brahmin should say this” — this discourse's own added hypothetical challenger
netaṁ dukkhaṁ paṭhamaṁ ariyasaccaṁ yaṁ samaṇena gotamena desitaṁ — “what the ascetic Gotama teaches is not the first noble truth of suffering” — the hypothetical challenger's own claim
aññaṁ...paññapessāmi — “I'll describe another [truth in its place]” — the hypothetical challenger's own proposed substitution
netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati — “that is not possible” — this discourse's own flat denial, repeated after both the first and fourth truths
chaṭṭhaṁ — “the sixth” — this discourse's own root text confirming its own position directly, read rather than assumed

The text

Every genuinely translated fragment given in the consulted English source, which itself preserves the elision for the second and third truths' own presumably identical structure. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1“Mendicants, do you remember the four noble truths that I taught?” When he said this, one of the mendicants said to the Buddha: “I do, sir.”

§2“How so, mendicant?” “Sir, I remember that suffering is the first noble truth you’ve taught. For if any ascetic or brahmin should say this: ‘What the ascetic Gotama teaches is not the first noble truth of suffering. I’ll deny this first noble truth of suffering and describe another first noble truth of suffering.’ That is not possible. The origin of suffering … The cessation of suffering … The practice that leads to the cessation of suffering is the fourth noble truth you’ve taught. For if any ascetic or brahmin should say this: ‘What the ascetic Gotama teaches is not the fourth noble truth of the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering. I’ll deny this fourth noble truth of the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering and describe another fourth noble truth of the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering.’ That is not possible. That’s how I remember the four noble truths as you’ve taught them.”

§3“Good, good, mendicant! It’s good that you remember the four noble truths as I’ve taught them. Suffering is the first noble truth I’ve taught, and that’s how you should remember it. For if any ascetic or brahmin should say this: ‘What the ascetic Gotama teaches is not the first noble truth of suffering. I’ll deny this first noble truth of suffering and describe another first noble truth of suffering.’ That is not possible. The origin of suffering … The cessation of suffering … The practice that leads to the cessation of suffering is the fourth noble truth I’ve taught, and that’s how you should remember it. For if any ascetic or brahmin should say this: ‘What the ascetic Gotama teaches is not the fourth noble truth of the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering. I’ll deny this fourth noble truth of the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering and describe another fourth noble truth of the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering.’ That is not possible. That’s how you should remember the four noble truths as I’ve taught them.

§4That’s why you should practice meditation …”

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Self-check quiz

3 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 3
What clause does this discourse add to SN 56.15's own dialogue, per this project's own direct comparison?
Correct: A. Confirmed by direct comparison against SN 56.15's own simpler recitation.
Question 2 of 3
For which truths is the refutation clause given in full in this discourse's own text?
Correct: A. Confirmed by direct reading of the root text's own elision pattern.
Question 3 of 3
What position does this discourse occupy in this vagga's own ten-discourse sequence?
Correct: A. Confirmed by direct reading of the root text's own closing marker "Chaṭṭhaṁ" ("sixth").
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