Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 9.2

Application

Upaṭṭhānasutta

Setting
A forest grove in the Kosalan lands
Speakers
An unnamed forest deity and an unnamed mendicant
Form
A sharp rebuke in verse, answered by the monk's own verse in reply
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★★☆ — the monk's answer is genuinely ambiguous, and this guide treats it honestly

Why this discourse

Where SN 9.1's monk received the deity's verses in silence, struck by urgency, this discourse's monk does something different: he talks back. Caught asleep during what should be meditation, he's woken with sharp, almost biting questions — how can the afflicted slumber, pierced by an arrow? — and rather than simply accepting the rebuke, he answers in kind, describing himself as already free of desire, ignorance, and sorrow, and asking pointedly why a renunciate in that condition should be bothered at all. Whether this is a genuine description of real attainment or a sleepy monk's defensive rationalization, the text itself doesn't say — and this reading guide resists resolving the ambiguity with false confidence.

Reading guide

A sharper opening rebuke than SN 9.1's

Where the previous discourse opened with sympathetic observation, this one opens with pointed, almost aggressive questioning — ‘get up, mendicant! why lie down?’ — a harsher register matching the more concrete failure of falling fully asleep.

An image of injury applied to ordinary drowsiness

The deity's rhetorical question — how can the afflicted slumber, pierced by an arrow strike? — treats the monk's spiritual complacency with the urgency of physical injury, a deliberately jarring comparison for something as mundane as falling asleep.

A monk who answers back, rather than staying silent

Unlike SN 9.1's monk, who says nothing and is simply struck with urgency, this monk responds directly in verse — a notable structural difference this reading guide flags rather than glosses over.

A claim of attainment that resists easy verification

The monk's reply describes someone free of desire, beyond ignorance, sorrowless and unstressed, energetic and resolute — language that could describe genuine arahantship or could equally be a sleepy monk's defensive self-flattery; nothing in the text settles which, and this reading guide presents both readings rather than choosing one.

A repeated refrain framed as rhetorical challenge

‘Why bother a renunciate?’ closes each of the monk's four stanzas, the repetition itself functioning less as genuine inquiry than as a pointed pushback against the deity's rebuke — whatever the monk's actual state, his tone is clearly not fully chastened.

Key terms

divāvihāragato supati — “went for the day's meditation, but fell asleep” — the monk's concrete lapse opening the discourse.
āturassa hi kā niddā, sallaviddhassa ruppato — “how can the afflicted slumber, pierced by an arrow strike?” — the deity's sharp rhetorical rebuke.
yāya saddhāya pabbajito…tameva saddhaṁ brūhehi — “the faith that led you to go forth…amplify that same faith” — the deity's positive exhortation.
kasmā pabbajitaṁ tape — “why bother a renunciate?” — the monk's repeated refrain, pushing back against the rebuke.
chandarāgassa vinayā, avijjāsamatikkamā — “by removing desire and greed, by going beyond ignorance” — the state the monk claims (or aspires to), left genuinely ambiguous by the text.

The text

The discourse in full. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1At one time one of the mendicants was staying in the land of the Kosalans in a certain forest grove. Now at that time that mendicant went for the day’s meditation, but fell asleep. The deity haunting that forest had sympathy for that mendicant, and wanted what’s best for them. So they approached that mendicant wanting to stir them up, and addressed them in verse:

§2“Get up, mendicant! Why lie down? What’s the point in sleeping? How can the afflicted slumber, inflicted by an arrow strike?

§3You should amplify the faith that led you to go forth from the home life to homelessness. Don’t fall under the sway of slumber.”

§4“Sensual pleasures are impermanent and unstable, but dullards still fall for them. Among those who are bound, they’re free and unattached: why bother a renunciate?

§5By removing desire and greed, by going beyond ignorance, that knowledge has been perfectly cleansed: why bother a renunciate?

§6By breaking ignorance with knowledge, by the ending of defilements, they’re sorrowless, unstressed: why bother a renunciate?

§7Energetic, resolute, always staunchly vigorous, aspiring to extinguishment: why bother a renunciate?”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What is the monk doing when the deity confronts him?
Correct: A. A more concrete lapse than SN 9.1's wandering thoughts.
Question 2 of 10
How does this discourse's opening tone compare to SN 9.1's?
Correct: A. "Get up, mendicant! Why lie down?" — a harsher register than SN 9.1's opening.
Question 3 of 10
What image does the deity use to describe the monk's complacency?
Correct: A. A deliberately jarring comparison applied to ordinary drowsiness.
Question 4 of 10
How does this monk's response differ from SN 9.1's monk?
Correct: A. A notable structural difference this reading guide flags directly.
Question 5 of 10
What does the monk's verse claim about his own state?
Correct: A. A claim that could describe genuine attainment or defensive rationalization.
Question 6 of 10
How does this reading guide treat the question of whether the monk's claim is genuine?
Correct: A. Resisting false confidence where the source itself leaves the matter open.
Question 7 of 10
What refrain closes each of the monk's four stanzas?
Correct: A. Kasmā pabbajitaṁ tape — functioning as pushback rather than genuine inquiry.
Question 8 of 10
What does the deity urge the monk to do in its second stanza?
Correct: A. A positive exhortation, not merely criticism.
Question 9 of 10
How does the monk's tone come across in his reply, regardless of the truth of his claims?
Correct: A. The repeated rhetorical refrain functioning as genuine pushback.
Question 10 of 10
Where does this discourse take place?
Correct: A. The same general setting as SN 9.1.
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