Part 5 of 8 · Sections 17–20

No Self, No Attainment — Restated

究竟無我分第十七 至 離色離相分第二十

Subhūti asks his opening question a second time, the five eyes and why no mind of past, present, or future can ever be pinned down, and how the Buddha's radiant body and his formless dharma-body are neither the same thing nor two things.

Translator: Ru-Yi Meditation Center Source: Kumārajīva's translation, c. 402 CE (Taishō T235), in the received text chanted today Commentary guide: Grand Master Taixu's 金剛般若波羅蜜經講錄 (1927)

17. Ultimately, No Self

Chinese Source · 究竟無我分第十七

爾時,須菩提白佛言:「世尊!善男子、善女人,發阿耨多羅三藐三菩提心,云何應住?云何降伏其心?」佛告須菩提:「善男子、善女人,發阿耨多羅三藐三菩提心者,當生如是心:我應滅度一切眾生。滅度一切眾生已,而無有一眾生實滅度者。何以故?須菩提!若菩薩有我相、人相、眾生相、壽者相,則非菩薩。所以者何?須菩提!實無有法發阿耨多羅三藐三菩提者。須菩提!於意云何?如來於燃燈佛所,有法得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提不?」「不也,世尊!如我解佛所說義,佛於燃燈佛所,無有法得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提。」佛言:「如是!如是!須菩提!實無有法,如來得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提。」

Ru-Yi Translation

At that time Subhūti said to the Buddha: "World-Honored One, when a good son or good daughter sets out for unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening, how should they stand, and how should they subdue their mind?" The Buddha told Subhūti: "A good son or good daughter who sets out for unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening should give rise to a mind like this: I must liberate every single being. And once every being is liberated, in truth not one being at all has been liberated. Why is this? Subhūti, if a bodhisattva holds the notion of a self, a person, a being, a lifespan, they are no bodhisattva. And why is that? Subhūti, in truth there is no fixed teaching called setting out for unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening. Subhūti, what do you think — in the presence of Dīpaṃkara Buddha, did the Tathāgata have any teaching by which he attained unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening?" "No, World-Honored One. As I understand the meaning of what the Buddha teaches, in the presence of Dīpaṃkara Buddha the Buddha had no teaching by which he attained unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening." The Buddha said: "So it is, so it is. Subhūti, in truth there is no fixed teaching by which the Tathāgata attained unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening."

「須菩提!若有法,如來得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提者,燃燈佛則不與我授記:『汝於來世,當得作佛,號釋迦牟尼。』以實無有法得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提,是故燃燈佛與我授記,作是言:『汝於來世,當得作佛,號釋迦牟尼。』何以故?如來者,即諸法如義。若有人言:如來得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提。須菩提!實無有法,佛得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提。須菩提!如來所得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提,於是中無實無虛,是故如來說:一切法皆是佛法。須菩提!所言一切法者,即非一切法,是故名一切法。須菩提!譬如人身長大。」須菩提言:「世尊!如來說人身長大,則為非大身,是名大身。」「須菩提!菩薩亦如是,若作是言:『我當滅度無量眾生。』則不名菩薩。何以故?須菩提!實無有法名為菩薩。是故佛說:一切法無我、無人、無眾生、無壽者。須菩提!若菩薩作是言:『我當莊嚴佛土。』是不名菩薩。何以故?如來說莊嚴佛土者,即非莊嚴,是名莊嚴。須菩提!若菩薩通達無我法者,如來說名真是菩薩。」

"Subhūti, if there had been such a fixed teaching, Dīpaṃkara Buddha would not have given me the prediction, saying, 'In a future age you will become a buddha, named Śākyamuni.' It was precisely because there is no fixed teaching to attain unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening that Dīpaṃkara Buddha gave me this prediction, saying, 'In a future age you will become a buddha, named Śākyamuni.' Why is this? 'Tathāgata' means precisely 'suchness of all things.' If someone says, 'The Tathāgata has attained unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening' — Subhūti, in truth there is no fixed teaching by which the Buddha attained unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening. Subhūti, in the unsurpassed, perfect, complete awakening the Tathāgata has attained, there is neither the substantial nor the empty; that is why the Tathāgata says that all things are the Buddha's teaching. Subhūti, what are called all things are no things at all — that is why they are called all things. Subhūti, it is like a person whose body is tall and great." Subhūti said: "World-Honored One, the body the Tathāgata speaks of as tall and great is no great body — that is why it is called a great body." "Subhūti, a bodhisattva is just the same. If one says, 'I shall liberate countless beings,' one is not called a bodhisattva. Why is this? Subhūti, in truth there is no thing called a bodhisattva. That is why the Buddha says that all things are without a self, without a person, without a being, without a lifespan. Subhūti, if a bodhisattva says, 'I shall adorn a buddha-land,' that one is not called a bodhisattva. Why is this? The Tathāgata says that to adorn a buddha-land is no adorning at all — that is why it is called adorning. Subhūti, a bodhisattva who fully understands that things are without self is the one the Tathāgata calls a true bodhisattva."

Reading note — after Taixu

Taixu marks this as the sūtra folding back on its own opening: Subhūti asks, almost word for word, the very question he asked in Section 2, and the Buddha's answer now gathers everything argued since into a single reply. The vow to liberate every being still stands, exactly as vowed — what has changed is that the beings liberated are understood to liberate themselves, by their own nature, so there was never a separate bodhisattva standing outside them doing the liberating. The instant a bodhisattva thinks "I liberate," a self appears to do the liberating and a being appears to be liberated — and self, person, being, and lifespan return together, all four at once, exactly as Section 3 already showed.

Taixu's gloss on "Tathāgata" here is his fullest in the whole fascicle: it means the suchness of all things — reality just as it is, undisturbed, equal without favoring any one appearance over another, resting at neither extreme and not even lodging in some middle point between them. This is why Dīpaṃkara's prediction could only be given because there was no fixed teaching to attain — a fixed attainment would mean a fixed attainer, and a fixed attainer is exactly the self a buddha has none of. His summary of the sūtra's stubborn "neither substantial nor empty": to call the attainment real cannot be said as simply true, and to call it empty cannot be said as simply true either — attained without an attainer, real without being graspable, precisely what the word "Tathāgata" is there to name.

18. One Body, One Seeing

Chinese Source · 一體同觀分第十八

「須菩提!於意云何?如來有肉眼不?」「如是,世尊!如來有肉眼。」「須菩提!於意云何?如來有天眼不?」「如是,世尊!如來有天眼。」「須菩提!於意云何?如來有慧眼不?」「如是,世尊!如來有慧眼。」「須菩提!於意云何?如來有法眼不?」「如是,世尊!如來有法眼。」「須菩提!於意云何?如來有佛眼不?」「如是,世尊!如來有佛眼。」「須菩提!於意云何?恆河中所有沙,佛說是沙不?」「如是,世尊!如來說是沙。」「須菩提!於意云何?如一恆河中所有沙,有如是等恆河,是諸恆河所有沙數佛世界,如是寧為多不?」「甚多,世尊!」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Subhūti, what do you think — does the Tathāgata have the physical eye?" "Yes, World-Honored One, the Tathāgata has the physical eye." "Subhūti, what do you think — does the Tathāgata have the heavenly eye?" "Yes, World-Honored One, the Tathāgata has the heavenly eye." "Subhūti, what do you think — does the Tathāgata have the wisdom eye?" "Yes, World-Honored One, the Tathāgata has the wisdom eye." "Subhūti, what do you think — does the Tathāgata have the dharma eye?" "Yes, World-Honored One, the Tathāgata has the dharma eye." "Subhūti, what do you think — does the Tathāgata have the buddha eye?" "Yes, World-Honored One, the Tathāgata has the buddha eye." "Subhūti, what do you think — does the Buddha speak of the sand in the Ganges River?" "Yes, World-Honored One, the Tathāgata speaks of that sand." "Subhūti, what do you think — if there were as many Ganges Rivers as there are grains of sand in one Ganges, and as many buddha-worlds as there are grains of sand in all those rivers, would they be many?" "Very many, World-Honored One."

佛告須菩提:「爾所國土中,所有眾生,若干種心,如來悉知。何以故?如來說:諸心皆為非心,是名為心。所以者何?須菩提!過去心不可得,現在心不可得,未來心不可得。」

The Buddha told Subhūti: "The Tathāgata knows completely every kind of mind that every being in all those lands has. Why is this? What the Tathāgata calls 'minds' are all no minds at all — that is why they are called minds. And why is that, Subhūti? The mind of the past cannot be grasped, the mind of the present cannot be grasped, the mind of the future cannot be grasped."

Reading note — after Taixu

Taixu walks through the five eyes as five widening circles of vision, each folded into the next: the physical eye, the ordinary human eye, so limited that a sheet of paper is enough to block it entirely; the heavenly eye, gained by rebirth in the heavens or by deep meditation, which sees far and passes through solid obstruction; the wisdom eye, held by śrāvakas and pratyekabuddhas, which sees every being as empty — the four elements and five aggregates only, like flowers reflected in a mirror or the moon reflected in water; the dharma eye, held by bodhisattvas, which sees further still, that every single thing arises from conditions and has no nature of its own, so that "one is all, and all is one," moving through every phenomenon without obstruction; and the buddha eye, which holds all four at once and sees every realm — human, heavenly, arhat, bodhisattva — in a single instant, without gap or excess. A bodhisattva has four of the five; even an arhat with supernormal powers holds only three, and cannot see three different realms in one glance the way a buddha does.

The famous line that follows — no mind of the past, present, or future can be grasped — Taixu reads as the direct conclusion of having five eyes rather than none: the Tathāgata knows every being's every thought precisely because he sees that none of those thoughts is a fixed, locatable thing to begin with. A past thought has already gone; a present thought never stays still long enough to be caught; a future thought has not yet arrived. Ordinary beings mistake this passing procession for something solid and call it "my mind" — which is exactly why the sūtra calls all of it "no mind at all, that is why it is called mind." Knowing a mind that has nowhere to be pinned down is not a lesser kind of knowing; for the Tathāgata, it is the only kind that is actually complete.

19. Pervading the Whole Dharma Realm

Chinese Source · 法界通化分第十九

「須菩提!於意云何?若有人滿三千大千世界七寶,以用布施,是人以是因緣,得福多不?」「如是,世尊!此人以是因緣,得福甚多。」「須菩提!若福德有實,如來不說得福德多;以福德無故,如來說得福德多。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Subhūti, what do you think — if someone filled a billion-world universe with the seven treasures and gave it all away, would that person, through this cause, gain great merit?" "Yes, World-Honored One, through this cause that person would gain very great merit." "Subhūti, if merit had a substantial nature, the Tathāgata would not speak of gaining great merit; it is precisely because merit has no such nature that the Tathāgata speaks of gaining great merit."

Reading note — after Taixu

Taixu treats this brief exchange as a deliberate compression of everything the sūtra has already said about giving, now stated as a single, symmetrical principle: if merit were a fixed, substantial thing, the Buddha would never call it "great," because anything fixed is, by definition, bounded and comparable — great next to some things, small next to others. It is exactly because merit has no fixed nature of its own that it can be called boundless without contradiction. Attainment and non-attainment, he notes, are equal here: merit that is genuinely "gotten" this way was never gotten as a possession, and this absence of getting is itself what makes the getting immeasurable — the same single point the sūtra has now approached from giving, from the four fruits, from bodily marks, and from the Tathāgata's own awakening, each time landing in the identical place.

20. Beyond Form, Beyond Every Mark

Chinese Source · 離色離相分第二十

「須菩提!於意云何?佛可以具足色身見不?」「不也,世尊!如來不應以具足色身見。何以故?如來說:具足色身,即非具足色身,是名具足色身。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Subhūti, what do you think — can the Buddha be seen through his perfectly formed body?" "No, World-Honored One, the Tathāgata should not be seen through his perfectly formed body. Why is this? The Tathāgata says a perfectly formed body is no perfectly formed body at all — that is why it is called a perfectly formed body."

「須菩提!於意云何?如來可以具足諸相見不?」「不也,世尊!如來不應以具足諸相見。何以故?如來說:諸相具足,即非具足。是名諸相具足。」

"Subhūti, what do you think — can the Tathāgata be seen through his perfectly formed marks?" "No, World-Honored One, the Tathāgata should not be seen through his perfectly formed marks. Why is this? The Tathāgata says perfectly formed marks are no perfection at all — that is why they are called perfectly formed marks."

Reading note — after Taixu

Taixu reads this exchange as distinguishing two of the Buddha's three traditional bodies from the third. The "perfectly formed body" is the reward-body — the thirty-two marks and eighty fine characteristics, the resplendent physical form earned by countless lifetimes of practice. The "perfectly formed marks" point to the response-body — the countless different forms a buddha manifests, endlessly varied, to meet whatever a particular being needs in order to be reached and taught. Neither is the formless dharma-body itself, yet neither is separate from it either: the reward-body is not apart from the dharma-body, but it is not simply identical to it — hence "a perfectly formed body is no perfectly formed body, that is why it is called a perfectly formed body," and the same for the response-body's marks.

Taixu's summary phrase for the relation among all three bodies is deliberately paradoxical: "neither one nor different, and yet also one and also different — form that is no form, and no form that is form." A student who fixes on the radiant, marked body as the whole of what the Buddha is has mistaken the reflection for the moon; a student who denies the radiant body has any value at all has mistaken the absence of a fixed essence for the absence of any manifestation whatsoever. The teaching holds both without collapsing into either — exactly the same shape as "form is emptiness, emptiness is form," now applied to the Buddha's own body rather than to the world at large.