Fascicle 127 · 阿毘達磨大毘婆沙論卷第一百二十七 · Complete

The Four Great Elements

Fascicle 127 opens an entirely new aggregate — the Great Elements — refuting two rival masters' reductionist accounts of matter and mind, defining earth, water, fire, and wind and their eleven varieties of derived form, and cataloguing the seven kinds of derived touch, from smoothness to hunger and thirst. This page carries Ru-Yi's complete translation.

Translator: Ru-Yi Meditation Center Status: fascicle 127 complete, 19 sections Source: Taishō T1545, vol. 27, fascicle 127 Topic: 大種蘊第五 → 大造納息第一之一 begins (the Great Elements Aggregate; the Great-Elements-and-Derivatives Nyāsa begins)

Translation Method

The Chinese source is Xuánzàng's seventh-century translation of the Abhidharma-mahāvibhāṣā-śāstra (阿毘達磨大毘婆沙論), preserved in the Taishō canon (T1545, vol. 27) via the CBETA digital edition — public domain text, translated directly from the Chinese. The English wording throughout is Ru-Yi's own, and the reading notes are original, grounded in standard Sarvāstivāda scholarship rather than a specific named commentator's lecture transcript.

Fascicle 127 opens the Great-Elements-and-Derivatives Nyāsa (大造納息第一之一), the first nyāsa of the newly opened Great Elements Aggregate. Terms established across fascicles 93–126 recur here and are not re-explained at each occurrence.

Classical text is set in the left-hand column below, our English in the right.

1. A New Aggregate Begins: Two Rival Masters Who Deny Derived Form Exists

Fascicle 127 opens an entirely new aggregate — the Great Elements (大種蘊), the fifth of the treatise's major divisions — with the sūtra's claim that all form is either the four great elements or what they produce. The treatise's own reason for existing here is sharply polemical: two masters within the very same school, Buddhadeva and Dharmatrāta, each in their own way reduce derived form to nothing but the great elements themselves reconfigured, and mental factors to nothing but the mind itself reconfigured — an elaborate reductionist system this fascicle sets out, in exhaustive detail, before refuting.

Chinese Source

大種蘊第五中大造納息第一之一大種所造處。幾有見。幾無見。如是等章及解章義。既領會已。應廣分別。問何故作此論。答為欲分別契經義故。如契經說。諸所有色皆是四大種。及四大種所造。雖作是說而未廣辯。大種所造處。

Ru-Yi Translation

Fifth Aggregate, the Great Elements: the Great-Elements-and-Derivatives Nyāsa, Chapter One, Part One. Among the sense-fields produced by the great elements, how many are visible, and how many invisible? Having now grasped this chapter heading and its explanatory meaning in full, we should next explain it in full. Question: why compose this treatise? Answer: in order to analyze the meaning of the sūtra. For the sūtra says: all form whatsoever is either the four great elements themselves, or what is produced by the four great elements. Though the sūtra speaks in this way, it does not explain in full which of the sense-fields produced by the great elements

幾有見。幾無見。乃至廣說。經是此論所依根本。彼未說者今應說之。故作斯論。有說。為止餘師所說。謂此部內有二論師。一者覺天。二者法救。覺天所說色唯大種。心所即心。彼作是說。造色即是大種差別。心所即是心之差別。彼何故作是說。依契經故。如契經說。眼肉團中。若內各別堅性堅類。近有執受名內地界。乃至各別動性動類。近有執受名內風界。彼依此經故說造色即是大種。又契經說云何等持。謂善心一境性。由此故說心所即心問彼復云何立界處蘊耶。答彼作是說諸四大種。有是能見。有是所見。乃至有是能觸。有是所觸。諸能見者立為眼界。諸所見者立為色界。乃至諸能觸者立為身界。諸所觸者立為觸界。心中有依眼根。乃至有依意根。依眼根者立眼識界。乃至依意根者立意識界。即六識身無間已滅立為意界。即心差別有名為受。有名為想。有名為思。并三無為立為法界。如界處亦爾。蘊者。諸四大種立為色蘊。諸心差別有名為受。有名為想。有名為思有名為識。立為四蘊。問彼云何通契經所說。諸所有色皆是四大種。及四大種所造。答彼作是說。非所造聲離四大種別有所因即於大種立所造聲。云何知然。如契經說。苾芻當知。觸由二緣。所謂眼色乃至意法。有六觸處是先所為是先所造。我說即是故業。應知無聞異生由此所觸受樂受苦。由此所造或此隨一。非離前六觸處別有第七觸處而可於中立所造聲。即於前六說為所造。前經亦然。非離大種別有所造。即於大種立所造聲。於我非難阿毘達磨諸論師言。彼所引經別有密意。不可引證前所引經。彼經前說六觸處者。謂密意說未明了位。後言由此所造或此隨一者。謂密意說已明了位。如未明了位已明了位。如是無分別位有分別位。未可顯位已可顯位。未可說位已可說位。應知亦爾。又六觸處者說中有位。由此所造等者說本有位。尊者妙音說曰。彼經前說六觸處者。謂密意說根無缺位。後說由此所造等者謂密意說根有缺位。脇尊者言。有六觸處者密意說欲界。由此所造者。密意說色界。或此隨一者。密意說無色界。經義如是。云何可證前經所說所造色言。又所造言若無異者。餘經所說。復云何通如契經說。尊者圓滿告尊者慶喜言具壽當知。所有我執誰之所造。是色所造。是受想行識所造我執即是薩迦耶見。若所造言無別義者。豈可身見即是色等。然離色等別有我執。故知經說所造色者非即大種。問若離大種別有造色。如何會釋彼所引經。於眼肉團中有地界等。答彼經說眼根所依大種不說眼體。又彼經說世所共知肉團名眼。非說眼根。

— are visible and how many are invisible, and so on in full — and this sūtra is the very root this treatise depends upon, and what it has not explained should now be explained, and so this treatise is composed. Some say: this treatise is composed in order to refute the position of other masters — for within this very school there are two treatise-masters, Buddhadeva and Dharmatrāta. Buddhadeva teaches that form is nothing but the great elements themselves, and that mental factors are nothing but the mind itself — his position being that derived form is merely a distinct configuration of the great elements, and that mental factors are merely a distinct configuration of the mind. Why does he say this? On the basis of the sūtra — for the sūtra says: within the fleshy mass of the eye, whatever solidity and class of solidity is individually appropriated as one's own is called the internal earth-element; and so on, up through whatever motion and class of motion is individually appropriated as one's own being called the internal wind-element — and it is on the basis of this sūtra passage that he holds derived form to be nothing but the great elements. The sūtra further says: what is concentration? It is the one-pointedness of a wholesome mind — and it is on this basis that he holds mental factors to be nothing but the mind itself. Question: how, then, does he account for the establishment of the elements, sense-fields, and aggregates? Answer: his position is that, among the four great elements, some serve as the seeing and some as the seen, and so on, up through some serving as the touching and some as the touched — those that serve as seeing are established as the eye-element, those that serve as seen are established as the form-element, and so on, up through those that serve as touching being established as the body-element, and those that serve as touched being established as the touch-element. Within the mind, some depend on the eye faculty, and so on, up through some depending on the mental faculty — that which depends on the eye faculty is established as the eye-consciousness element, and so on, up through that which depends on the mental faculty being established as the mental-consciousness element; and it is precisely the six consciousness-bodies, immediately having ceased, that are established as the mental element. As for the mind's own distinct configurations, some are called feeling, some perception, some volition — and, together with the three unconditioned dharmas, these are established as the dharma-element. The sense-fields are treated the same way. As for the aggregates: the four great elements are established as the aggregate of form, and the mind's distinct configurations, called feeling, perception, volition, and consciousness, are established as the remaining four aggregates. Question: how, then, does he reconcile this with the sūtra's own statement that all form whatsoever is either the four great elements themselves, or what is produced by the four great elements? Answer: his position is that even the sound called "derived" has, apart from the four great elements, no distinct cause of its own — the term "derived" is applied to the great elements themselves. How is this known? As the sūtra says: bhikṣus, you should know that contact arises from two conditions — namely, the eye and form, and so on, up through the mind and dharmas. There are said to be six fields of contact, which are what was previously made, what was previously produced — I call this precisely former karma. You should know that the unlearned ordinary being, through this contact, experiences pleasant or painful feeling; and it is through this that is produced, or through some one of these, that this occurs — there is no seventh field of contact, apart from these prior six, within which the term "derived" could be established; rather, the term "derived" is applied to precisely these prior six themselves. The earlier sūtra passage is likewise so — there is no "derived" apart from the great elements; the term "derived" is applied to the great elements themselves. This is no objection to me — the various Abhidharma masters say that the sūtra he cites carries a distinct hidden intent, and cannot be cited as proof against the sūtra passage cited earlier. In that sūtra, the earlier statement of the six fields of contact refers, with hidden intent, to the stage where the faculties are not yet clear, while the later statement, "through this that is produced, or some one of these," refers, with hidden intent, to the stage where the faculties have already become clear — just as there is a stage without and a stage with clarity, so too there is a stage without and a stage with discrimination, a stage not yet manifest and a stage already manifest, a stage not yet expressible and a stage already expressible, and this should be understood in the same way. Moreover, "the six fields of contact" refers to the stage of intermediate existence, while "through this that is produced" and the rest refer to the stage of basic existence. The Venerable Ghoṣa explains: the sūtra's earlier statement of the six fields of contact refers, with hidden intent, to the stage where the faculties are not deficient, while its later statement, "through this that is produced" and the rest, refers, with hidden intent, to the stage where the faculties are deficient. The Venerable Pārśva says: "there are six fields of contact" refers, with hidden intent, to the desire realm; "through this that is produced" refers, with hidden intent, to the form realm; and "or some one of these" refers, with hidden intent, to the formless realm. Such is the meaning of that sūtra — how, then, could it prove anything about the term "derived form" spoken of in the earlier sūtra passage? Moreover, if the term "derived" carried no distinct meaning of its own, how would another sūtra passage be reconciled — as when it is said that the Venerable Pūrṇa told the Venerable Ānanda, "You should know, venerable one, that whatever self-grasping there is, by what is it produced? It is produced by form, or by feeling, perception, volition, or consciousness — self-grasping is precisely the view of a real self"? If the term "derived" carried no distinct meaning, how could the view of a real self simply be identical with form and the rest? Rather, apart from form and the rest, there exists a distinct self-grasping — and hence it is known that the sūtra's own "derived form" does not mean the great elements themselves. Question: if, apart from the great elements, there does exist a distinct derived form, how is the sūtra passage cited above, concerning earth-element and the rest existing within the fleshy mass of the eye, to be reconciled? Answer: that sūtra passage speaks of the great elements the eye-faculty depends upon, not the essential nature of the eye itself; moreover, that sūtra speaks of what the world commonly calls the fleshy mass "the eye," not of the eye-faculty proper,

世於肉團眼想轉故。尊者妙音亦作是說。世於大種立眼根名。以是眼根所依止故。有餘師說。彼所引經於義無妨。彼經但說眼肉團中有地等界。不言地等即是眼根。於義何妨。尊者法救說。離大種別有造色。說心所法非即是心。然說色中二非實有。謂所造觸及法處色。立蘊處界如對法宗。彼亦不然。諸所造觸如餘造色應別有故。

— since the ordinary world's conception of "the eye" operates with reference to this fleshy mass. The Venerable Ghoṣa likewise explains: the world applies the name "eye faculty" to the great elements, since these serve as what the eye faculty depends upon. Other masters say: the sūtra passage he cites poses no difficulty for our own position at all — that sūtra merely says that earth-element and the rest exist within the fleshy mass of the eye; it does not say that earth-element and the rest are themselves the eye-faculty — what difficulty, then, does it pose? The Venerable Dharmatrāta holds that, apart from the great elements, there does exist a distinct derived form, yet holds that mental factors are nothing but the mind itself. Yet he further holds that two things among what is called form are not actually real entities — namely, derived touch and the form included within the dharma-sense-field — establishing the aggregates, sense-fields, and elements as the Abhidharma school does otherwise. This, too, is mistaken, since derived touch, like other derived forms, ought equally to exist as a distinct entity.

若無法處所攝色者無表戒等不應有故。欲止如是二師所說故作斯論。有說。為止外道所說。謂外道說大種有五。即前四及虛空。今但說四明虛空非大種。問何故虛空不立大種。尊者世友作是釋言。

— for, without form included within the dharma-sense-field, unmanifest precept-restraint and the like ought not to exist at all. It is in order to refute the positions of these two masters that this treatise is composed. Others say: it is in order to refute the position of the outside paths — for the outside paths hold that there are five great elements, namely the previous four together with space; and, in speaking here of only four, the text makes clear that space is not a great element. Question: why is space not established as a great element? The Venerable Vasumitra explains it this way:

Reading note — Ru-Yi

That the orthodox Vaibhāṣika position needs an entire, carefully reconstructed rival system — complete with its own sūtra citations, its own account of the aggregates and sense-fields, and its own responses to objections — before it can even begin refuting it, shows how seriously this tradition treats internal dissent: Buddhadeva's position is not dismissed as an obvious error but reconstructed with the same rigor given to the treatise's own view, so that its eventual rejection actually means something.

2. Why Space Is Not a Great Element: Three Masters, Three Reasons

Refuting the outside paths' claim that space is a fifth great element alongside earth, water, fire, and wind, three masters offer three independent reasons: Vasumitra points to space's lack of increase, decrease, harm, or benefit; Ghoṣa points to space's lack of karmic ripening, unlike the elements found in a being's own body; and the Great Virtuous One draws a sharper metaphysical line — space, though vast, cannot generate anything and so is not a true "seed," while ordinary conditioned dharmas, though capable of generating, are too limited in scope to count as "great."

Chinese Source

以虛空無大種相故。謂有增有減是大種相。無增無減是虛空相。有損有益。是大種相。無損無益是虛空相有興有衰是大種相。無興無衰是虛空相。是故虛空不立大種。尊者妙音作如是釋。虛空大種其相各異。謂有情身中所有大種。多是先業異熟所生。虛空體無異熟生義。由此虛空不立大種。大德說曰。虛空雖大而體非種。不能生故。餘有為法雖能為種而體非大。相不遍故。由此虛空不立大種。

Ru-Yi Translation

— it is because space lacks the characteristic mark of a great element. That is, having increase and decrease is the mark of a great element, while having neither increase nor decrease is the mark of space; having both harm and benefit is the mark of a great element, while having neither harm nor benefit is the mark of space; having both rise and decline is the mark of a great element, while having neither rise nor decline is the mark of space — and hence space is not established as a great element. The Venerable Ghoṣa explains it this way: space and the great elements each carry a distinct mark — that is, the great elements found within a being's own body are, for the most part, produced by the ripening of past karma, while space, in its own nature, has no such sense of being karmically ripened, and hence space is not established as a great element. The Great Virtuous One explains: though space is great, its own nature is not a "seed," since it is incapable of generating anything; while other conditioned dharmas, though capable of serving as a "seed," are not themselves "great," their own characteristic not being all-pervading — and hence space is not established as a great element.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

That three respected masters can converge on the same conclusion — space is not a great element — while offering three genuinely different reasons for it is a small but telling demonstration of how a single settled doctrine can rest on multiple, non-identical lines of argument, each master apparently satisfied that his own reasoning alone would have sufficed.

3. Why Begin with the Great Elements? Impurity, Breath, and the Three Vehicles

A cascade of reasons explains why this new aggregate opens with the great elements and their derivatives specifically: some say it is simply the base treatise's own preferred sequence; others say it is because these two objects correspond to the two gateways into the Buddhadharma's own nectar — the contemplation of impurity (which contemplates derived form) and mindfulness of breathing (which contemplates the great elements themselves) — with a further, elaborate schema mapping the intensity of this contemplation, at superior, middling, or inferior levels of wisdom, onto the three fruits of buddhahood, pratyekabuddhahood, and śrāvakahood respectively.

Chinese Source

為止如是外道所執及顯自宗故作斯論。有餘師說。非但為止他執顯自宗故而作此論。但於法相相應義中應顯所明故作斯論。問何故此中先辨大造。答彼作論者意欲爾故。謂本論師隨自意欲不違法相先辨大造。有說。有情觀此二種為入佛法真甘露門。一不淨觀。二持息念。不淨觀觀造色。持息念觀大種。有說。若觀大種造色漸次能證佛獨覺聲聞三種菩提。謂若以上智觀察彼者。起上品身念住。從此次起上品受念住。次心。次法。次起雜緣。次煖頂忍世第一法。

Ru-Yi Translation

It is in order to refute such attachments of the outside paths, and to display our own school's position, that this treatise is composed. Other masters say: this treatise is composed not merely to refute others' attachments and display our own school's position, but simply because, within the proper sequence of the Dharma's own categories, this matter needed to be made clear at this point. Question: why does this treatise first analyze the great elements and what is derived from them? Answer: it is simply the intention of the treatise's own author — that is, the master who composed the base treatise, following his own preference without contradicting the proper sequence of the Dharma's categories, chose to analyze the great elements and their derivatives first. Others say: it is because beings contemplate these two as the gateway into the true nectar-gate of the Buddhadharma — the first being the contemplation of impurity, the second being mindfulness of breathing; the contemplation of impurity contemplates derived form, while mindfulness of breathing contemplates the great elements. Others say: if one contemplates the great elements and derived form, one may, by stages, realize the three kinds of awakening — of a buddha, a pratyekabuddha, or a śrāvaka — that is, if one contemplates this with superior wisdom, one gives rise to a superior application of mindfulness of the body, and, from this, in turn, a superior application of mindfulness of feeling, then of mind, then of dharmas, then gives rise to the mixed-object stage, then heat, summit, forbearance, and the supreme mundane dharma,

次起見道。乃至起無學道。皆以上品。爾時名為上品善士。證得無上正等菩提。若以中智觀察彼者。起中品身念住。廣說乃至起無學道皆以中品。爾時名為中品善士。證得中品獨覺菩提。若以下智觀察彼者。起下品身念住。廣說乃至起無學道。皆以下品。爾時名為下品善士。證得下品聲聞菩提。有說。若觀大種造色。便能降伏一切憍逸。謂諸有情以色族姓財寶自在眷屬等故生諸憍逸。若未觀察大種等時。隨一現前勢力強盛。若觀察已便能降伏。所以者何如輪王身所有大造。狗等所有大造亦然。由觀此故便捨憍逸。以如是等所說因緣。故此蘊中先辨大造。

— then gives rise to the path of seeing, and so on, up through the path of the non-learner, all at the superior grade — at that time such a one is called a superior good person, and realizes unsurpassed, perfect awakening. If one contemplates this with middling wisdom, one gives rise to a middling application of mindfulness of the body, and so on in full, up through giving rise to the path of the non-learner, all at the middling grade — at that time such a one is called a middling good person, and realizes the middling awakening of a pratyekabuddha. If one contemplates this with inferior wisdom, one gives rise to an inferior application of mindfulness of the body, and so on in full, up through giving rise to the path of the non-learner, all at the inferior grade — at that time such a one is called an inferior good person, and realizes the inferior awakening of a śrāvaka. Others say: contemplating the great elements and derived form enables one to subdue every form of arrogance — that is, beings give rise to various kinds of arrogance on account of their appearance, lineage, wealth, mastery, retinue, and the like; before contemplating the great elements and the rest, whichever of these presently manifests exerts a powerful, overwhelming force, but, once one has contemplated them, one becomes able to subdue it — for why is this? The great elements and their derivatives present in the body of a wheel-turning king are the very same as those present in the body of a dog, and it is through contemplating this that arrogance is abandoned. It is for reasons such as these that this aggregate analyzes the great elements and their derivatives first.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The claim that a wheel-turning king's body and a dog's body are, physically, composed of exactly the same great elements is a deliberately leveling observation: contemplating the great elements is offered here not merely as a technical exercise but as a direct antidote to social and physical vanity, collapsing every hierarchy of appearance, wealth, and lineage down to the same shared, humble material substrate.

4. All Form Without Remainder: Why Exactly Four Great Elements?

An etymological aside distinguishes two senses of "whatsoever" in the sūtra's claim that all form is the four elements and their derivatives — a partial, "some of it" sense versus a total, "every last bit" sense — establishing that form admits of no third category beyond these two. Asked why there are exactly four great elements, the Venerable Pārśva refuses the question outright as illegitimate, since any answer would only invite further doubt about whether the number should be higher or lower still; other masters answer more concretely, comparing the four elements to the four legs a bench needs — no fewer, since function would fail, and no more, since the addition would serve no purpose.

Chinese Source

契經中說諸所有色。皆是四大種及四大種所造。諸所有言。總有二種。一有餘義。二無餘義有餘義者。如世間說諸所有食我盡欲噉。

Ru-Yi Translation

The sūtra says that all form whatsoever is either the four great elements themselves, or what is produced by the four great elements. The phrase "whatsoever" carries, in general, two senses — the sense of "with remainder," and the sense of "without remainder." As to the sense of "with remainder": as when it is said in ordinary speech, "Whatever food there is, I wish to eat all of it" —

此但欲噉隨得少分。無餘義者。如世間說諸所有法我盡欲知。此總欲知一切法相。此中所說諸所有言。總顯一切色法皆盡。謂所有色。總有二種。一四大種。二所造色。除此更無第三色體。問何故大種唯四。脇尊者曰。此不應責。所以者何。若增若減俱亦生疑。

— this means only that one wishes to eat whatever small portion one happens to obtain. As to the sense of "without remainder": as when it is said in ordinary speech, "Whatever dharmas there are, I wish to know all of them" — this means wishing to know the characteristics of every dharma without exception. The phrase "whatsoever" as used here shows, without exception, every kind of form — that is, form whatsoever is, in general, of two kinds: the four great elements, and derived form; apart from these, there exists no third essential nature of form at all. Question: why are the great elements exactly four? The Venerable Pārśva says: this ought not to be demanded at all, for why is this? Whether one increases or decreases their number, doubt arises equally either way —

不以疑故便違法相。但隨聖教唯說四種。有餘師言。若減四者功用便闕。若過四者則亦無用。如方床座唯有四足。問何故名大種。答大而是種。故名大種。如言大地。如言大王。義別體同。應持業釋。問云何大義。云何種義。答能減能增能損能益體有起盡。是為種義體相形量遍諸方域成大事業。是為大義。問此四云何成大事業。答與大積聚造色為依。令壞令成是大事業。由此唯四不減不增。謂減不能成大事業增於事業復為無用。問餘法何緣不名大種。

— and hence doubt is not, by itself, a reason to contradict the proper form of the Dharma; one simply follows the sacred teaching, which speaks of exactly four kinds. Other masters say: were their number reduced below four, their function would be deficient; were it increased beyond four, the excess would be of no use — just as a square bed or seat needs exactly four legs. Question: why are they called "great elements"? Answer: they are great, and they are seeds — hence they are called great elements, as one speaks of a "great earth" or a "great king": the meaning is distinct, but the essential nature is the same, and this ought to be understood as a compound expressing an inherent function. Question: what is the sense of "great"? And what is the sense of "seed"? Answer: being capable of decrease, increase, harm, and benefit, and having an essential nature that arises and ceases — this is the sense of "seed"; having an essential nature, characteristic, form, and measure that pervades every region and direction, and accomplishing great deeds — this is the sense of "great." Question: how do these four accomplish great deeds? Answer: by serving as the basis for the great aggregation and derivation of form, causing it to be destroyed or brought into being — this is their great deed. It is on this account that they are exactly four, neither fewer nor more — for a decrease would prevent this great deed from being accomplished, while an increase beyond this would be of no further use to the deed. Question: why are other dharmas not called "great elements"?

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Pārśva's refusal to even entertain the question of why there are exactly four elements is a striking methodological stance: rather than supplying a positive justification that might itself invite further "why not five, why not three" regress, he treats the number as something the sacred teaching simply fixes, immune to being interrogated as though it required independent proof.

5. Great and Element: An Etymology in Two Parts

The compound term "great element" (mahābhūta) is unpacked into its two component senses: "element" or "seed" names the capacity for decrease, increase, harm, and benefit — an essential nature that itself arises and ceases — while "great" names a characteristic, form, and measure so pervasive that it can accomplish truly great deeds. Only the four qualify as both: unconditioned dharmas are great but generate nothing, while other conditioned dharmas generate but lack the great elements' all-pervading scope.

Chinese Source

答餘無如是大種相故。謂無為法大而非種。其餘有為種而非大故。

Ru-Yi Translation

Answer: because no other dharma bears this mark of a great element — that is, unconditioned dharmas are great but not seeds, while other conditioned dharmas are seeds but not great,

唯此四得名大種。

— and hence only these four earn the name "great elements."

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Defining "great" not by sheer size but by pervasive scope combined with productive capacity is a precise piece of technical vocabulary-building: the treatise needs a term that captures something genuinely different from mere physical magnitude, since space itself is unimaginably vast yet still fails to qualify — greatness, here, is a matter of generative reach, not extent.

6. What Does 'Made From' Mean? Five New Kinds of Cause

A sharp technical puzzle asks what "derived" actually means when form is said to be "derived from" the great elements: if it means ordinary causation, the elements lack all five of the classic kinds of cause with respect to derived form; if it means mere condition, then virtually everything else in existence already qualifies as a condition too, making the special relationship to the elements meaningless. The resolution invents an entirely new category — five distinct causal senses unique to this relationship: the generative, dependent, establishing, sustaining, and nourishing causes — while a rival view instead grades ordinary "predominant condition" itself by proximity and shared birth, reserving the name "cause" only for what is closest and most intimately joined.

Chinese Source

問造是何義。為是因義是緣義耶。設爾何失。俱見其過。若是因義。此四大種於所造色五因皆無。如何可言能造諸色。若是緣義諸所造色各除自體。餘一切法無不皆是此增上緣。如何但言大種所造。答應作是說造是因義。問此於造色五因皆無。如何因義。答雖同類等五因皆無。而別有餘五種因義。謂生因依因立因持因養因。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: what is the meaning of "made" or "derived"? Is it the sense of cause, or the sense of condition? Either way, what would be the fault? Both possibilities show their own difficulty. If it is the sense of cause, the four great elements possess none of the five kinds of cause with respect to derived form — how, then, could they be said to produce form? If it is the sense of condition, then, apart from derived form's own essential nature, every other dharma without exception already serves as its predominant condition — how, then, could it be said that only the great elements are what derived form is "derived" from? Answer: it should be said that "derived" carries the sense of cause. Question: but the great elements possess none of the five kinds of cause with respect to derived form — how, then, can this be the sense of cause? Answer: though they indeed lack all five of the usual kinds of cause — the same-class cause and the rest — there exists, apart from these, a further five distinct kinds of causal sense: the generative cause, the dependent cause, the establishing cause, the sustaining cause, and the nourishing cause,

由此能造。有餘師言。造是緣義。問諸所造色各除自體餘法皆是此增上緣。如何但言大種所造。答增上緣義。有親有疎。有近有遠。

— and it is through these that the great elements are capable of producing derived form. Other masters say: "derived" carries the sense of condition. Question: but, apart from derived form's own essential nature, every other dharma already serves as its predominant condition — how, then, can it be said that it is derived only from the great elements? Answer: the sense of predominant condition itself comes in degrees — some close, some distant; some near, some far;

有合不合。有在此生。有在餘生。諸親近合在此生者說名為因。疎遠不合在餘生者說名為緣。由此義故說諸大種與所造色為因增上。

— some joined, some unjoined; some belonging to this same birth, some belonging to a different birth. Whatever is close, near, and joined, belonging to this same birth, is called "cause"; whatever is distant, far, and unjoined, belonging to a different birth, is called merely "condition." It is on this basis that the great elements are said to serve as both the cause and the predominant condition of derived form,

亦不違理。

— and there is no contradiction in this.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Inventing an entirely new fivefold causal taxonomy, found nowhere else in the standard six-cause system, just to describe how the great elements relate to derived form is a striking admission that this particular relationship does not fit any category already on hand — the tradition would rather expand its own causal vocabulary than force an awkward analogy onto a genuinely distinctive kind of production.

7. Solidity, Moisture, Heat, Motion: One Thing, Many Characteristics

The four elements receive their classic definitions — earth's characteristic is solidity, its function support; water's characteristic is moisture, its function cohesion; fire's characteristic is heat, its function ripening; wind's characteristic is motion, its function growth. A puzzle then asks how a single element can bear both its own specific characteristic and the general characteristic of "form" at once — resolved either by appeal to how a single afflicted dharma can carry up to a hundred and forty simultaneous characterizations without contradiction, or by distinguishing own-characteristic from shared characteristic as two non-conflicting categories.

Chinese Source

問地水火風何相何業。答堅是地相。持是地業。濕是水相。攝是水業。煖是火相。熟是火業。動是風相。長是風業。問地是堅相亦是色相。廣說乃至。風是動相亦是色相。如何一法有二相耶。答有亦無失。由此理趣於一法中。可得施設有多相故。如一有漏法。即有如病如癰等。廣說乃至。百四十句諸過患相而無有失。此亦如是。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: what are the respective characteristics and functions of earth, water, fire, and wind? Answer: solidity is earth's characteristic, and support is earth's function; moisture is water's characteristic, and cohesion is water's function; heat is fire's characteristic, and ripening is fire's function; motion is wind's characteristic, and growth is wind's function. Question: earth has the characteristic of solidity, yet also the characteristic of form in general; and so on, up through wind having the characteristic of motion, yet also the characteristic of form in general — how can a single dharma have two characteristics at once? Answer: it can, and there is no fault in this, since, by this same principle, many characteristics may be established within a single dharma — just as a single dharma with outflow may be characterized as like a disease, like a boil, and so on in full, up through the hundred and forty phrases describing its various afflictive characteristics, all without fault — so too here.

有餘師言。相有二種。一自相。二共相。堅濕煖動相是自相。色相是共相。如是二相互不相違。於一法立亦無有過。

Other masters say: characteristic is of two kinds — own-characteristic, and shared characteristic. The characteristics of solidity, moisture, heat, and motion are own-characteristics; the characteristic of form in general is a shared characteristic. These two kinds of characteristic do not conflict with one another, and there is no fault in establishing both within a single dharma.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The comparison to a single afflicted dharma bearing up to a hundred and forty simultaneous characterizations is a useful reminder of just how comfortable this tradition is with multiplicity of description: rather than insisting each thing have exactly one true characteristic, it treats characterization itself as inexhaustibly layered, with no single description ever claiming to be the last word on a given dharma.

8. Never Truly Separated: The Embryo That Needs All Four at Once

The Sūtra on Entering the Womb supplies vivid proof that the four elements are never, at any time, actually separated: at the earliest kalala stage of embryonic development, earth without water would simply scatter to dust, water without earth would flow away formlessly, earth and water without fire would rot, and all three without wind would never grow at all — each element's presence is what prevents the specific failure the others alone would cause. A further puzzle reconciles this against sūtra passages describing an element's own "disturbance" bringing a being to death, resolved as referring only to one element's disproportionate increase, never to any actual separation of the four.

Chinese Source

問此四大種於一切時不相離耶。答如是。云何知然。如入胎經說。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: are these four great elements never, at any time, separated from one another? Answer: this is so. How is this known? As the Sūtra on Entering the Womb says:

佛告慶喜。初羯邏藍。若有地界無水界者。便應乾散。今不散者水所攝故。若有水界無地界者。便應流治。今不流者地所持故。若有地水無火界者。便應臭爛。今不爛者火所熟故若有三界。無風界者應不增長。今增長者風所動故。問餘經所說當云何通。地界擾亂。

— the Buddha told Ānanda: at the initial kalala stage, if there were an earth-element without a water-element, the embryo would dry out and scatter — but, since it does not scatter, this is because it is held together by water; if there were a water-element without an earth-element, it would simply flow away — but, since it does not flow away, this is because it is supported by earth; if there were earth and water without a fire-element, it would putrefy and rot — but, since it does not rot, this is because it is ripened by fire; and if there were these three elements without a wind-element, it would fail to grow — but, since it does grow, this is because it is set in motion by wind. Question: how, then, is another sūtra passage to be reconciled, which speaks of the earth-element becoming disturbed,

或令至死或令有情受次死苦。乃至風界亦復如是。答此說大種隨一增時能為擾亂。非謂四種有時相離。

— sometimes bringing a being to death, sometimes causing a being to suffer torments approaching death, and so on likewise for the water, fire, and wind elements? Answer: this passage speaks of the disturbance caused when any one of the great elements becomes disproportionately increased — it does not mean that the four elements are ever, at any time, actually separated from one another.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The embryo's need for all four elements simultaneously — each one specifically preventing a distinct kind of collapse the others alone would allow — turns what might seem like an abstract physics claim into something almost tender: even the earliest, most fragile moment of a new life depends on a precise, four-way cooperation with no room for any single element to be missing even briefly.

9. Four Classes of the Great Elements — Or Two, Or Three?

A brief taxonomic dispute asks how many classes the four great elements themselves divide into: four (ripening-born, nourishment-grown, outflow, and transformation-born) on one account, three on another (folding transformation-born into nourishment-grown), or only two on a third (further folding outflow into both of the remaining categories) — the verdict favoring the middle, three-class account, since some great elements resist being folded into either of the other two-class categories.

Chinese Source

問此四大種品類有幾。答品類有四。謂異熟生長養。等流。變化。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: how many classes does each of these four great elements have? Answer: there are four classes — ripening-born, nourishment-grown, outflow, and transformation-born.

有餘師說。品類有三。謂異熟生。長養。等流。其變化者長養所攝。復有說者。品類有二。謂異熟生。及長養。變化大種入長養中。等流攝入異熟長養。評曰。於前三說中說為善。有四大種非二攝故。

Other masters say: there are three classes — ripening-born, nourishment-grown, and outflow — with transformation-born included within nourishment-grown. Others say: there are two classes — ripening-born and nourishment-grown — with transformation-born included within nourishment-grown, and outflow included within both ripening-born and nourishment-grown. The verdict: among the three preceding accounts, the middle account of three classes is the better one, since there exist great elements not included within either of the two classes alone.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Settling on the three-class middle position, rather than the more economical two-class account, shows the tradition's general preference for a taxonomy that fits the observed data cleanly over one that is merely more elegant or compact — simplicity is not pursued here at the cost of leaving some great elements homeless within the scheme.

10. Does One Element-Instance Produce One Atom, or Many?

A precise mechanical puzzle asks whether a single instance of the four great elements produces exactly one atom of derived form, or many: producing only one risks the awkward pattern of "four causes, one effect," while producing many risks a deeper structural problem, since Abhidharma orthodoxy holds that derived-form atoms never share a co-existent-cause relationship with one another. The favored resolution accepts "four causes, one effect" as simply an observed, unproblematic pattern in the world, avoiding the deeper structural difficulty the alternative would create.

Chinese Source

問一四大種為但造一造色極微。為能造多。若但造一。如何不成因四果一。因多果少理不應然。若能造多。則一四大種所造色有多極微。云何展轉非俱有因。對法者說。有對造色展轉相望無俱有因。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: does a single instance of the four great elements produce only one atom of derived form, or is it capable of producing many? If it produces only one, how does this not amount to four causes yielding a single effect — for the principle of many causes yielding few effects ought not to hold here? But if it is capable of producing many, then a single instance of the four great elements would produce derived form consisting of many atoms — how, then, could these fail, upon mutual comparison, to bear a co-existent-cause relationship to one another, since the Abhidharma school holds that resistant derived forms, upon mutual comparison, bear no co-existent-cause relationship at all?

許則便違對法宗義。答應作是說。一四大種但能造一造色極微。問如何不成因四果一。因多果少理不應然。答果少因多理亦無失。世現見有如是類故。因四果一於理無違。有說造多。問若爾者一四大種所造色有多極微。云何展轉非俱有因。答非一果故非俱有因。以俱有因法必同一果故。此不成因同猶豫故。評曰如前說者好。

To grant this would contradict the Abhidharma school's own position. Answer: it should be said that a single instance of the four great elements is capable of producing only one atom of derived form. Question: how, then, does this not amount to four causes yielding a single effect? Answer: there is no fault in few effects arising from many causes, since instances of this very pattern are observed in the world. "Four causes, one effect" is in no way contrary to reason. Some say it produces many. Question: if so, then a single instance of the four great elements produces derived form of many atoms — how, then, could these fail, upon mutual comparison, to bear a co-existent-cause relationship? Answer: since they do not share a single effect, they bear no co-existent-cause relationship, for dharmas bearing a co-existent-cause relationship must necessarily share one and the same effect — this fails to establish a genuine cause, since the very premise remains in doubt. The verdict: the account given first is the better one.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Choosing to accept an admittedly unusual causal ratio — four causes producing only one effect — rather than complicate the deeper theory of co-existent causation, reveals a quiet methodological priority: the treatise is willing to tolerate a slightly strange-looking surface pattern in exchange for keeping its more fundamental causal architecture intact and uncomplicated.

11. How Elements and Derived Form Actually Sit Together

A geometrically minded puzzle asks exactly how the great elements and derived form are spatially arranged relative to each other — elements below, above, or intermixed with derived form in between — each option carrying its own difficulty, since a strict below/above arrangement would make distant derived form incapable of being caused by the elements at all, while a fully intermixed arrangement ought to reveal visible gaps whenever something is cut, as when a lotus stem is severed. The favored resolution holds that the two do intermix, yet the gaps, though real, remain invisible, since the great elements themselves have no visible form at all — what one actually sees when something is cut is simply derived form itself, never the elements or the spaces between them.

Chinese Source

問大種造色云何而住。為大種在下造色在上。為大種在上造色在下。為大種造色相雜而住。大種在外造色處中耶設爾何失。一切有過。若大種在下造色在上。則諸造色近大種者。可以大種為能造因。所造色中有隔遠者。如何可以大種為因。若大種在上造色在下。則應造色為大種因。不應大種為造色因。若大種造色相雜而住。大種在外造色處中者。應斷截時見諸孔隙猶如斷藕。有說在下為因所依法應爾故。問若爾於逼近色可說能造。於隔遠者云何造耶。答不說一樹所有大種。都在其下造諸造色。但說一樹分分皆有大種在下造色在上。有作是說相雜而住。大種在外造色處中。問若爾應斷截時見諸孔隙猶如斷藕。答雖有孔隙而不可見。以諸大種非有見故所見孔隙是造色故。問諸內外事其相各別。內事別者。謂諸眾生若百若千集會一處威儀形相各各不同。外事別者。謂果石等。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: how do the great elements and derived form actually sit together? Are the great elements below and derived form above, or the great elements above and derived form below, or do the great elements and derived form sit intermixed, with the great elements outside and derived form in the middle? Whichever is granted, what fault would follow? Every option carries some difficulty. If the great elements are below and derived form above, then derived form close to the great elements could indeed take the great elements as its producing cause, but how could derived form at some remove take the great elements as its cause at all? If the great elements are above and derived form below, then derived form ought instead to be the cause of the great elements, and the great elements ought not to be the cause of derived form. If the great elements and derived form sit intermixed, with the great elements outside and derived form in the middle, then, when something is cut through, one ought to see gaps, as when a lotus stem is severed. Some say: the great elements lie below, since this is how a cause and its dependent dharma ought to be arranged. Question: if so, then derived form close by can indeed be said to be produced, but how is derived form at some remove produced? Answer: it is not said that all the great elements of an entire tree lie beneath it, producing derived form throughout — rather, it is said that, in each and every part of the tree, the great elements lie below and derived form above, in that particular locality. Some hold that the two sit intermixed, with the great elements outside and derived form in the middle. Question: if so, then, when something is cut through, one ought to see gaps, as when a lotus stem is severed. Answer: though gaps do exist, they cannot be seen, since the great elements themselves are invisible — what gaps one does see are simply derived form itself. Question: internal and external phenomena each show their own distinct character — internal phenomena's distinctness meaning that, when hundreds or thousands of beings gather together in one place, each shows a distinct bearing and form; external phenomena's distinctness meaning, for instance, fruits, stones, and the like,

或青或黃或赤或白。香味等相各各不同。如是相別。為由業異。為由大種異。為由造色異。答俱由三種。依異熟因故說由業異。依生因依因。立因。持因養因故說由大種異。依同類因故。說由造色異。問外事差別由何業異。答若諸有情行諸妙行。感得外事形相平直。色香味觸皆悉美妙。若諸有情行諸惡行。感得外事形相險曲。

— being sometimes blue, yellow, red, or white, their scent, taste, and other characteristics each distinct. Is this distinctness on account of a difference in karma, a difference in the great elements, or a difference in derived form? Answer: it is on account of all three together — on the basis of the ripening-cause, it is said to be on account of a difference in karma; on the basis of the generative, dependent, establishing, sustaining, and nourishing causes, it is said to be on account of a difference in the great elements; and on the basis of the same-class cause, it is said to be on account of a difference in derived form. Question: how does external phenomena's distinctness come about through a difference in karma? Answer: if beings practice excellent conduct, they bring about external phenomena whose form appears smooth and upright, and whose color, scent, taste, and touch are all fine and excellent; if beings practice evil conduct, they bring about external phenomena whose form appears jagged and twisted,

色香味觸皆悉麁弊。問諸果石等其相各別。青黃赤白形貌等異。或有相似由何威力。答由三威力然大種強。謂諸大種不平等者。便有種種顯形等異。若平等者則便相似。

— and whose color, scent, taste, and touch are all coarse and foul. Question: fruits, stones, and the like each show a distinct character — blue, yellow, red, white, differing in shape and appearance — yet some are alike — through what power does this come about? Answer: through the power of all three factors together, though the great elements exert the strongest influence — that is, wherever the great elements are unevenly balanced, various distinct colors, shapes, and the like arise; wherever they are evenly balanced, the results resemble one another.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Resolving the visible-gap objection by pointing out that the great elements are themselves invisible turns what looked like a decisive empirical counterexample into a demonstration of the elements' own defining property: the very fact that cutting something never reveals visible gaps is used as further confirmation that the elements underlying all form are, by their essential nature, imperceptible to sight.

12. Where Does Speech Come From?

A charmingly specific question asks exactly where in the body the great elements produce the sounds beings speak — with competing nominations for the throat, the heart, or the navel. The settled answer splits the difference usefully: speaking generally, the whole body's elements contribute to vocal sound, but speaking specifically, quiet, ordinary speech draws mainly on the throat's own elements, while shouting, roaring, and crying out draw on the elements of the entire body — confirmed by the plainly observable fact that a person's whole body visibly shakes when they shout.

Chinese Source

問諸有情類口所發聲。當言何處大種所造。有說。喉邊大種所造。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: where in the body are the various sounds spoken by beings' mouths produced by the great elements? Some say: they are produced by the great elements near the throat.

有說。心邊大種所造。有說。臍邊大種所造。評曰。總說此聲一切身支大種所造。若別說者。輕小語聲應言喉邊大種所造。叱吒哮吼號叫等聲。應言遍身大種所造。現見此等舉身掉動故。

Others say: they are produced by the great elements near the heart. Others say: they are produced by the great elements near the navel. The verdict: speaking generally, this sound is produced by the great elements throughout every part of the body; speaking specifically, soft, quiet speech-sounds should be said to be produced by the great elements near the throat, while shouting, roaring, and crying-out sounds should be said to be produced by the great elements throughout the whole body, since one can plainly observe the entire body shaking when such sounds are made.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Grounding the answer in the observable fact that shouting visibly shakes the whole body is a nice example of this tradition's occasional willingness to settle a metaphysical dispute by simple, everyday observation rather than pure doctrinal reasoning — sometimes the evidence needed is available to anyone paying attention to their own body.

13. Can the Great Elements Ever Be Derived Form Themselves?

A final structural question asks whether any form exists that is neither the four elements themselves nor derived from them — answered yes: one, two, or three of the four elements together count as form, yet qualify as neither category, since they fall short of being all four and since the elements, as pure cause, can never themselves be an effect. Pressed on why the elements can never be derived form, the treatise appeals to the categorical distinction between producer and produced, before dismissing the alternative on its own terms: were the elements derived, either three would produce the fourth (an impossibly deficient cause) or all four would produce one (a thing observing its own nature, a logical absurdity).

Chinese Source

問頗有色非四大種。亦非四大種所造耶。答有。謂一二三大種。此雖是色而非四大種。唯一二三故。亦非四大種所造以諸大種非所造故。問何故大種非所造耶。答能造所造性各別故。因果異故。能成所成性各別故。如能成所成。如是能引所引。能生所生。能作所作。能和合所和合。能轉所轉。能相所相。當知亦爾。有說。大種若是所造。為三造一。為四造一。若三造一。體用闕少云何能造。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: is there any form that is neither the four great elements themselves, nor produced by the four great elements? Answer: there is — namely, one, two, or three of the great elements alone. This, though it is indeed form, is not "the four great elements," since it consists of only one, two, or three of them; nor is it "produced by the four great elements," since the great elements are never themselves produced. Question: why are the great elements never produced? Answer: because that which produces and that which is produced have distinct natures, cause and effect being different; because that which accomplishes and that which is accomplished have distinct natures — and just as with the accomplisher and the accomplished, so too with the drawer-forth and the drawn-forth, the generator and the generated, the maker and the made, the combiner and the combined, the transformer and the transformed, and the characterizer and the characterized — one should understand these in just the same way. Others say: were the great elements themselves derived form, would three of them together produce the fourth, or would all four together produce one? If three produce the fourth, their essential nature and function would be deficient — how could they then produce anything?

若四造一。應地界等造地界等。則有自性觀自性過。然一切法他性為緣。能有所作不顧自體。由此大種不名所造。

And if all four together produce one, then the earth-element and the rest would be producing the earth-element and the rest — incurring the fault of a thing's own nature observing its own nature. Rather, every dharma takes the nature of something other than itself as its condition in order to accomplish anything, never its own essential nature — and it is on this account that the great elements are never called "derived."

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The rejected possibility of "a thing's own nature observing its own nature" names a fault this tradition treats as a near-universal disqualifier across its causal theory: genuine production, on this view, always requires crossing over into something categorically other than oneself, which is precisely why the great elements — being what everything else is made from — can never, even in principle, be made from anything themselves.

14. Eleven Varieties: Which Basis Produces Which Derived Form?

The great elements and derived form are each mapped onto eleven distinct varieties, one for each of the five physical sense-organs and six sense-object fields. A genuine scholarly dispute follows over exactly which basis-elements can produce which derived forms — ranging from the strictest one-to-one correspondence (eye-basis elements produce only eye-field form, and so on) through increasingly permissive schemes allowing cross-production between related categories, up to the most liberal view that any basis-element can produce all eleven varieties — with the treatise's own verdict favoring the strictest, most economical correspondence.

Chinese Source

諸四大種有十一種。謂眼處所依。乃至身處所依。色處所依乃至法處所依。諸所造色亦有十一種。謂眼處乃至身處。色處乃至法處。

Ru-Yi Translation

The four great elements each come in eleven varieties — namely, that which serves as the basis of the eye sense-field, and so on, up through that which serves as the basis of the body sense-field, and that which serves as the basis of the form sense-field, and so on, up through that which serves as the basis of the dharma sense-field. Derived form likewise comes in eleven varieties — namely, the eye sense-field, and so on, up through the body sense-field, and the form sense-field, and so on, up through the dharma sense-field.

問眼處所依大種。能造幾所造色。乃至法處所依大種。能造幾所造色。答應作是說。眼處所依大種唯造眼處。乃至法處所依大種唯造法處。有作是說。眼處所依大種能造三種。謂眼處身處觸處。耳鼻舌處所依大種亦爾。身處所依大種能造二種。謂身處觸處。色聲香味法處。所依大種亦爾。觸處所依大種唯造觸處。復有欲令一切大種皆能造色聲觸。欲界大種皆造香味。彼說眼處所依大種能造七種。謂眼處。身處。色聲香味觸處。耳鼻舌處所依大種亦爾。身處所依大種能造六種。謂身處色聲香味觸處法處所依大種亦爾。色處所依大種能造五種。謂色處聲香味觸處。聲香味觸處所依大種亦爾。有餘師說。眼處所依大種能造十一種。乃至法處所依大種亦爾。評曰。此諸說中初說為善。謂眼處所依大種唯造眼處。乃至法處所依大種唯造法處。

Question: the great elements serving as the basis of the eye sense-field are capable of producing how many kinds of derived form — and so on, up through how many kinds of derived form the great elements serving as the basis of the dharma sense-field are capable of producing? Answer: it should be said that the great elements serving as the basis of the eye sense-field produce only the eye sense-field, and so on, up through the great elements serving as the basis of the dharma sense-field producing only the dharma sense-field. Some hold that the great elements serving as the basis of the eye sense-field are capable of producing three kinds — namely, the eye sense-field, the body sense-field, and the touch sense-field — and likewise for the great elements serving as the basis of the ear, nose, and tongue sense-fields; that the great elements serving as the basis of the body sense-field are capable of producing two kinds — namely, the body sense-field and the touch sense-field — and likewise for the great elements serving as the basis of the form, sound, smell, taste, and dharma sense-fields; and that the great elements serving as the basis of the touch sense-field produce only the touch sense-field. Still others hold that every kind of great element is capable of producing form, sound, and touch, and that the great elements of the desire realm all produce smell and taste as well — on this view, the great elements serving as the basis of the eye sense-field are capable of producing seven kinds — namely, the eye sense-field, the body sense-field, and the form, sound, smell, taste, and touch sense-fields — and likewise for the great elements serving as the basis of the ear, nose, and tongue sense-fields; that the great elements serving as the basis of the body sense-field are capable of producing six kinds — namely, the body sense-field and the form, sound, smell, taste, and touch sense-fields — and likewise for the great elements serving as the basis of the dharma sense-field; and that the great elements serving as the basis of the form sense-field are capable of producing five kinds — namely, the form sense-field and the sound, smell, taste, and touch sense-fields — and likewise for the great elements serving as the basis of the sound, smell, taste, and touch sense-fields. Other masters hold that the great elements serving as the basis of the eye sense-field are capable of producing all eleven kinds, and so on likewise, up through the great elements serving as the basis of the dharma sense-field. The verdict: among these various accounts, the first is the better one — that is, the great elements serving as the basis of the eye sense-field produce only the eye sense-field, and so on, up through the great elements serving as the basis of the dharma sense-field producing only the dharma sense-field.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Favoring the strictest one-to-one correspondence, when several more permissive and arguably more flexible schemes were on offer, reflects a recurring preference in this tradition for economy over generosity in causal claims: given a choice between a tidy, restrictive mapping and an expansive one that would technically still work, the treatise consistently reaches for the version that commits to the fewest causal relationships necessary.

15. How Can Different Characteristics Produce the Same, and the Same Produce Different?

A subtle puzzle asks how elements bearing different characteristics can produce derived form of the same characteristic, and vice versa — resolved through the principle of "distinct purpose," which allows all four logical combinations depending on what aspect of the relationship one is emphasizing: solidity-moisture-heat-motion elements, considered as tactile qualities, produce touch-natured derived form (same relation) or visible form (different relation), while touch-natured elements alone can produce either the full range of eleven kinds of derived form or touch-natured derived form specifically.

Chinese Source

問云何異相大種能造同相造色。答觀別義故說亦無失。謂觀別義故。說異相大種造同相造色。觀別義故。說同相大種造異相造色。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: how can great elements of differing characteristic produce derived form of the same characteristic? Answer: this is said with reference to a distinct purpose, and there is no fault in it — that is, with reference to a distinct purpose, great elements of differing characteristic are said to produce derived form of the same characteristic; and, with reference to a distinct purpose, great elements of the same characteristic are said to produce derived form of differing characteristic;

觀別義故。說異相大種造異相造色。觀別義故。說同相大種造同相造色。觀別義故。說異相大種造同相造色者。謂堅濕煖動相大種。

— with reference to a distinct purpose, great elements of differing characteristic are said to produce derived form of differing characteristic; and, with reference to a distinct purpose, great elements of the same characteristic are said to produce derived form of the same characteristic. As to great elements of differing characteristic producing derived form of the same characteristic, said with reference to a distinct purpose — this means that the great elements bearing the characteristics of solidity, moisture, heat, and motion,

造觸相造色。有說。此造見相造色等。觀別義故說同相大種造異相造色者。謂觸相大種。造十一種造色。觀別義故。說異相大種造異相造色者。謂堅濕煖動相大種。造十一種造色。觀別義故。說同相大種造同相造色者。謂觸相大種造觸相造色。有說。此造見相造色等。

— produce derived form bearing the characteristic of touch. Others say: these also produce visible derived form, and the rest. As to great elements of the same characteristic producing derived form of differing characteristic, said with reference to a distinct purpose — this means that great elements bearing the characteristic of touch produce all eleven kinds of derived form. As to great elements of differing characteristic producing derived form of differing characteristic, said with reference to a distinct purpose — this means that the great elements bearing the characteristics of solidity, moisture, heat, and motion produce all eleven kinds of derived form. As to great elements of the same characteristic producing derived form of the same characteristic, said with reference to a distinct purpose — this means that great elements bearing the characteristic of touch produce derived form bearing the characteristic of touch. Others say: these also produce visible derived form, and the rest.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

That the very same underlying facts can be truthfully described as "same producing same," "same producing different," "different producing same," or "different producing different," depending purely on which aspect of characterization one chooses to emphasize, is a quiet lesson in how much apparent contradiction in this literature dissolves once one asks what specific comparison a given statement is actually making.

16. Nine Similes: The Lamp-Flame, the Lotus, and the Mirror

Vasumitra offers a precise, six-part technical account of exactly how the great elements relate to derived form — as cause to effect, generator to generated, support to supported, characterizer to characterized, combiner to combined, and establisher to established — while the Great Virtuous One offers a sparer formula distinguishing the elements' own defining characteristics from any color-form that shares their cause but lacks those characteristics. Other masters reach instead for a cascade of nine vivid images — Śakra and his host of gods, a sovereign and his retinue, the sun and its light, a tree-trunk and its branches, a wall and its shadow, a lamp-flame and its light, a lotus-root and its flower, a mirror and its reflection — distilled into the Venerable Timira's own memorable verse.

Chinese Source

問大種造色相別云何。尊者世友作如是說。因是大種果是造色。能生是大種。所生是造色。所依是大種。能依是造色。能相是大種所相是造色。和合是大種。和合所生是造色。能建立是大種。所建立是造色。大德說曰。堅濕煖動相是大種。若色大種為因。而無大種相是造色。有餘師說。大種如天帝。造色如天眾。大種如自在。造色如眷屬。大種如王。造色如臣。大種如日月輪。造色如日光月明。大種如樹身。造色如枝等。大種如牆。造色如影。大種如燈焰。造色如燈明。大種如藕。造色如花。大種如鏡。造色如像。是故尊者時毘羅言。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: what precisely distinguishes the great elements from derived form? The Venerable Vasumitra explains it this way: the great elements are cause, derived form is effect; the great elements are that which generates, derived form is that which is generated; the great elements are the support, derived form is that which is supported; the great elements are that which characterizes, derived form is that which is characterized; the great elements are that which combines, derived form is what arises from the combination; the great elements are that which establishes, derived form is that which is established. The Great Virtuous One explains: the characteristics of solidity, moisture, heat, and motion are the great elements; any form that has the great elements as its cause, yet lacks the great elements' own defining characteristics, is derived form. Other masters say: the great elements are like Śakra, derived form like his host of gods; the great elements are like a sovereign, derived form like his retinue; the great elements are like a king, derived form like his ministers; the great elements are like the disk of the sun or moon, derived form like sunlight or moonlight; the great elements are like a tree's own trunk, derived form like its branches; the great elements are like a wall, derived form like its shadow; the great elements are like a lamp's flame, derived form like the light it casts; the great elements are like a lotus root, derived form like the lotus flower; the great elements are like a mirror, derived form like the reflected image — and hence the Venerable Timira says:

根生從大種 如燈焰生明如藕生蓮花 如鏡生眾像阿毘達磨諸論師言。大種無見。造色有見無見。大種有對。造色有對無對。大種有漏。造色有漏無漏。大種無記。造色善不善無記。

"The faculties arise from the great elements, As light arises from a lamp's flame; As the lotus flower arises from its root, As reflected images arise from a mirror." The Abhidharma masters say: the great elements are invisible, while derived form may be visible or invisible; the great elements have resistance, while derived form may or may not; the great elements always have outflow, while derived form may or may not; the great elements are always morally neutral, while derived form may be wholesome, unwholesome, or neutral;

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The progression from Vasumitra's dry, six-part technical vocabulary to Timira's cluster of poetic images for the very same relationship shows two entirely different registers of Abhidharma exposition operating side by side, apparently without any sense that one is more rigorous or more legitimate than the other — precise causal terminology and evocative simile are treated as equally valid ways of conveying the identical philosophical claim.

17. Smoothness, Roughness, Weight: The Seven Kinds of Derived Touch

A precise cataloguing exercise names the eleven real entities within the touch sense-field — the four great elements themselves, plus seven kinds of derived touch: smoothness, roughness, lightness, heaviness, cold, hunger, and thirst, each carefully defined by its function rather than its raw sensation (heaviness, for instance, is simply defined as "capable of being weighed"). Competing theories then correlate each quality with a specific pairing of elemental increase — water and fire together yield smoothness, earth and wind yield roughness, fire and wind yield lightness, earth and water yield heaviness — vividly illustrated by why a living body feels light and supple while a corpse grows heavy and rigid: fire and wind, still active in life, subside at death, leaving only earth and water behind.

Chinese Source

大種欲色界繫。造色欲色界繫及不繫。大種非學非無學。造色學無學非學非無學。大種修斷。造色修斷不斷。大種苦集諦攝造色苦集道諦攝。大種無異熟。造色有異熟無異熟。大種不染造色染不染大種非業。造色業非業。諸如是等大種造色。二相差別有無量門觸處實事有十一種。謂四大種。及七種造觸七種造。觸者。謂滑澁輕重冷飢渴。滑謂細軟。澁謂麁強。輕謂不可稱。重謂可稱。冷謂此所逼便起暖求。飢謂此所逼便起食欲。渴謂此所逼便起飲欲。問何大種增故滑。乃至渴耶。有作是說。不由大種偏增故滑。乃至渴。但由大種性類差別。有生滑果。乃至有生渴果。有餘師言。水火增故滑。地風增故澁。火風增故輕。地水增故。重故施設論作是問言。

Ru-Yi Translation

— the great elements are bound to the desire and form realms, while derived form may be bound to the desire and form realms, or entirely unbound; the great elements are neither trainee nor adept, while derived form may be trainee, adept, or neither; the great elements are cut off only by cultivation, while derived form may be cut off by cultivation or not cut off at all; the great elements are subsumed under the truths of suffering and origin, while derived form may also be subsumed under the truth of the path; the great elements have no ripening-fruit of their own, while derived form may or may not; the great elements are never defiled, while derived form may be defiled or undefiled; the great elements are never karma, while derived form may be karma or not — such distinctions between the great elements and derived form extend across countless further dimensions. Among the real entities of the touch sense-field, there are eleven — namely, the four great elements, together with seven kinds of derived touch. The seven kinds of derived touch are: smoothness, roughness, lightness, heaviness, cold, hunger, and thirst. Smoothness means being fine and soft; roughness means being coarse and rigid; lightness means being incapable of being weighed; heaviness means being capable of being weighed; cold means that which, pressing upon one, gives rise to a desire for warmth; hunger means that which, pressing upon one, gives rise to a desire for food; and thirst means that which, pressing upon one, gives rise to a desire for drink. Question: does the increase of which great element bring about smoothness, and so on through thirst? Some say: it is not on account of the disproportionate increase of any one great element that smoothness and the rest arise, but simply on account of a difference in the great elements' own kind — some naturally give rise to the fruit of smoothness, others to the fruit of thirst, and so on. Other masters say: an increase of water and fire brings about smoothness; an increase of earth and wind brings about roughness; an increase of fire and wind brings about lightness; and an increase of earth and water brings about heaviness — and, on this basis, the Prajñaptiśāstra poses this very question:

何緣活時身輕調順。死便身重不調順耶。答言活時火風未滅故身輕調順。死後身中火風已滅故。重不調順。水風增故冷。風增故飢。

— for what reason is the body light and supple while alive, yet heavy and rigid once dead? Answer: while alive, fire and wind have not yet subsided, and hence the body is light and supple; once dead, fire and wind within the body have already subsided, and hence it becomes heavy and rigid. An increase of water and wind brings about cold; an increase of wind brings about hunger,

謂風增故擊動食消引飢觸生便發食欲。火增故渴。謂火增故煎迫飲消。引渴觸生便發飲欲。

— that is, an increase of wind agitates and digests food, giving rise to the sensation of hunger, prompting the desire to eat; and an increase of fire brings about thirst — that is, an increase of fire parches and digests drink, giving rise to the sensation of thirst, prompting the desire to drink.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The corpse example does real philosophical work beyond mere illustration: it demonstrates that the very same four elements, in different proportions, account for the felt difference between a living and a dead body without needing to invoke any additional principle of "life" or "animation" — vitality itself, on this account, is simply a particular elemental balance, and its loss simply a shift in that same balance.

18. How Many Qualities Can One Touch Perceive at Once?

A precise question asks how many of the eleven touch-entities can jointly condition a single instance of body-consciousness — competing answers range from each acting entirely separately, through a maximum of five (the four elements plus any one derived quality), up to all eleven acting together at once. A sharp objection follows: doesn't each sense-consciousness take only its own field's characteristic as object? The resolution distinguishes two senses of "own-characteristic" — that of a particular entity and that of a whole sense-field category — allowing all eleven distinct entities to jointly condition one act of touch without ever collapsing into the forbidden case of a sense-consciousness perceiving a merely general, shared characteristic.

Chinese Source

問十一觸中極多緣。幾發生身識。有作是說。一一別緣發生身識。

Ru-Yi Translation

Question: among these eleven touch-entities, at most how many can jointly serve as the condition that gives rise to a single instance of body-consciousness? Some say: each one individually and separately gives rise to its own instance of body-consciousness,

以十一種相用增故。有餘師言。極多緣五發生身識。謂四大種滑等隨一。復有說者。總緣十一亦生身識。問豈不五識唯取自相境耶。

— since each of the eleven has its own distinct characteristic and function. Other masters say: at most five can jointly give rise to a single instance of body-consciousness — namely, the four great elements together with any one of smoothness and the rest. Still others say: all eleven together can also give rise to a single instance of body-consciousness. Question: but do not the five sense-consciousnesses take only their own particular characteristic as object?

答自相有二種。一事自相。二處自相。依事自相說緣十一種觸生於身識。依處自相說五識身取自相境。是故無過。如是說者。緣十一事亦生身識。如緣色處二十種事。亦生眼識此亦應爾。故五識身通緣總別。而無五識取共相過。多事自相一識能緣。然不明了問緣五色根所依大種發身識不。有說。不發。如五色根不可觸故不發身識。所依大種理亦應然。問若爾何故說為身識所識。答依法性說身識所識。未來世中身識境故。然無現在發身識義。有說。除身根所依大種皆能發身識。以身根所依極隣近故不能發身識。然他身識所緣境故。亦得名為身識所識。問十一種觸幾在欲界。幾在色界。答二唯在欲界。謂飢與渴。九通欲色界。問若色界中有重觸者。以何義故。施設論說。北俱盧洲衣重一兩。四大王眾天衣重半兩。三十三天衣重一銖。夜摩天中衣重半銖。覩史多天衣重一銖中四分之一。樂變化天衣重一銖中八分之一。他化自在天衣重一銖中十六分之一。此上天衣皆不可稱耶。有說。色界衣雖不可稱而餘物可稱。

Answer: own-characteristic is of two kinds — the own-characteristic of a particular entity, and the own-characteristic of a sense-field category. With reference to the own-characteristic of a particular entity, it is said that all eleven kinds of touch jointly give rise to body-consciousness; with reference to the own-characteristic of a sense-field category, it is said that the five sense-consciousness-bodies each take only their own category's characteristic as object — and hence there is no contradiction. According to this account: taking eleven entities jointly gives rise to body-consciousness, just as taking the twenty-some kinds of entity within the form sense-field jointly gives rise to eye-consciousness — this should be understood the same way here. Hence the five sense-consciousness-bodies may take either the general or the particular as their object without incurring the fault of the five consciousnesses taking a shared category-characteristic as object — many particular entities' own-characteristics may be taken by a single consciousness at once, though not distinctly articulated within it. Question: does the great-elements basis underlying the five physical sense-faculties themselves ever give rise to body-consciousness? Some say: it does not — just as the five physical sense-faculties themselves cannot be touched, and hence do not give rise to body-consciousness, the great elements they depend upon ought reasonably to be the same. Question: if so, then why is it said that these are "known by body-consciousness"? Answer: this is said with reference to their intrinsic nature — they may serve as an object of body-consciousness in some future moment, though there is no case of them actually giving rise to a present instance of body-consciousness. Others say: apart from the great elements underlying the body faculty itself, all the others are indeed capable of giving rise to body-consciousness — it is only the great elements underlying the body faculty itself that, being too immediately proximate, cannot give rise to body-consciousness in that very faculty; yet, since they can serve as the object of another person's body-consciousness, they too may properly be called "known by body-consciousness." Question: of these eleven kinds of touch, how many exist in the desire realm, and how many in the form realm? Answer: two exist solely in the desire realm — namely, hunger and thirst; the remaining nine are common to both the desire and form realms. Question: if the form realm has the touch-entity of heaviness, how is this reconciled with what the Prajñaptiśāstra says — that the robe of Uttarakuru weighs one liang, the robe of the Heaven of the Four Great Kings half a liang, the robe of the Heaven of the Thirty-Three one zhu, the robe of the Yāma heaven half a zhu, the robe of Tuṣita heaven a quarter of a zhu, the robe of the Nirmāṇarati heaven an eighth of a zhu, and the robe of the Paranirmita-vaśavartin heaven a sixteenth of a zhu — implying that the robes of every heaven above these are entirely unweighable? Some say: though a single robe in the form realm may be unweighable, other objects there may still be weighable;

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Distinguishing an entity's own-characteristic from a category's own-characteristic solves what looked like a genuine contradiction between two established doctrines by relocating the ambiguity in the word "own" itself: the same word can mean either "specific to this particular thing" or "specific to this whole kind of thing," and once the two senses are kept apart, both doctrines turn out to have been true all along, simply speaking about different levels of specificity.

19. Weighable Robes in Heaven, and the Ripening Nature of Hunger

A charming cosmological puzzle catalogues the astonishingly precise, ever-decreasing weights of divine garments across the heavens — down to a sixteenth of a zhu in the highest desire-realm heaven — and asks how the form realm above can then be said to have weighable touch at all, if its own garments are supposedly unweighable; the resolution suggests either that other objects there remain weighable, or that enough robes gathered together become weighable even if a single one is not, just as fine strands of down grow heavy once piled up. The fascicle closes debating whether hunger and thirst are truly a karmic ripening-fruit at all, since food and drink appear to interrupt them — resolved by distinguishing permanent from merely temporary interruption, with the striking closing claim that a wealthy person's hunger is the fruit of wholesome karma, while a poor person's identical hunger is the fruit of unwholesome karma.

Chinese Source

有說。彼界一衣雖不可稱多衣積集即可稱。如細縷輕毛積集便重。

Ru-Yi Translation

others say: though a single robe in that realm may be unweighable, many robes gathered together do become weighable — just as a fine thread or a light strand of down, gathered together in quantity, becomes heavy.

問若色界中有冷觸者。彼施設論何故復說。如人欲天所有冷暖。可了知者上界俱無耶。答冷有二種。一能為益。二能為損彼無能損。

Question: if the form realm has the touch-entity of cold, why does the Prajñaptiśāstra further say that the cold and warmth ordinarily knowable to humans and to the gods of the desire realm do not exist at all in the higher realm? Answer: cold is of two kinds — one beneficial, one harmful. That realm lacks the harmful kind,

有能為益。又即彼說所有冷暖上界俱無。豈以此言即說彼界亦無暖觸。若爾則彼大種應唯有三非闕功用。而能造色故。色界中冷暖俱有。問飢渴二觸為是長養。為是等流。為是異熟。健陀羅國西方師言。通長養等流。非異熟生。以飲食能斷故。阿毘達磨者不許異熟色斷已復續。有說。飢渴亦通異熟生。性以飲食暫斷非永斷故。斷有二種。謂永斷暫時斷。永斷不可續非暫時斷。如地獄中暫截身分。異熟生色斷已續生。迦濕彌羅國諸論師言。飽時彼亦不斷飲食障故不可覺知。飲食消已還可覺知。問若是異熟者。為善業果。惡業果耶。答是二種果。是故富者飢渴是善業果。貧者飢渴是惡業果問飢渴何處大種所造。有說。腹邊大種所造。入胎經說。在母腹中。有時臍邊彼有情類。有業異熟微風初起。即彼處大種能造飢渴。有餘師說。遍身分中大種能造於飢渴。時遍身擾惱故。

— but still possesses the beneficial kind. And as for that same passage's statement that all cold and warmth are entirely absent in the higher realm — how could this statement be taken to mean that heat-touch, too, is absent from that realm? Were this so, the great elements there would possess only three functions, not four — yet, since they are in no way deficient in function, and remain capable of producing form, both cold and warmth do exist in the form realm. Question: are the two touch-entities of hunger and thirst nourishment-grown, outflow, or ripening in nature? The masters of the West, in Gandhāra, say: they are common to nourishment-grown and outflow, never ripening, since food and drink are capable of interrupting them, and the Ābhidharmikas do not accept that a ripening-born form, once interrupted, can resume. Others say: hunger and thirst are also common to the ripening-born kind, since their nature is only temporarily interrupted by food and drink, never permanently interrupted. Interruption is of two kinds — permanent interruption, and temporary interruption; what is permanently interrupted cannot resume, but this is not the case with temporary interruption — just as, in hell, when a body-part is temporarily severed, ripening-born form, once interrupted there, still resumes and regenerates. The treatise-masters of Kashmir say: even at the moment of being full, hunger and thirst are, in fact, still not interrupted at all — they are merely rendered imperceptible by the obstruction of food and drink, and, once digestion is complete, become perceptible once more. Question: if these are indeed of the ripening kind, are they the fruit of wholesome or of unwholesome karma? Answer: they are the fruit of both — hence a wealthy person's hunger and thirst are the fruit of wholesome karma, while a poor person's hunger and thirst are the fruit of unwholesome karma. Question: in what part of the body do the great elements produce hunger and thirst? Some say: they are produced by the great elements near the belly, as the Sūtra on Entering the Womb explains — that, within the mother's womb, at a certain stage, near the navel, a subtle wind first arises within that being, and it is the great elements in that very place that are capable of producing hunger and thirst. Other masters say: the great elements throughout the entire body are capable of producing hunger and thirst, since the whole body is disturbed and agitated at such a time.

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Assigning opposite moral valences to the very same felt sensation of hunger, depending solely on the different karmic histories of the person experiencing it, is a genuinely provocative closing claim: the treatise insists that even the most universal, seemingly neutral bodily experience carries a hidden moral signature legible only by tracing it back to its distinct karmic origin in each individual case.

Fascicle 127 Complete

This closes fascicle 127 of Ru-Yi's translation, drawn from the treatise's true CBETA boundary. Fascicle 127 opens the Great Elements Aggregate (大種蘊第五), refuting Buddhadeva's and Dharmatrāta's reductionist accounts of derived form and mental factors, defining the four great elements and their eleven varieties of derivative form, and cataloguing the seven kinds of derived touch — smoothness, roughness, weight, cold, hunger, and thirst — down to the astonishingly precise weights of divine garments across the heavens. Fascicle 128 continues within this same nyāsa (大造納息第一之二).