Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 8.61

Desire

Icchāsutta — Bhūmicālavagga — the seventh chapter of the Eights

Setting
None stated in the source
Speakers
The Buddha alone, addressing the mendicants
Form
A combinatorial matrix of eight individuals, crossing effort, outcome, and reaction, each spelled out in full despite the repeating pattern
Length
~3 minutes to read
Reaction is the only variable that matters
Of the three axes crossed in this matrix — whether one tries, whether one gets, and how one reacts — only the third actually determines whether someone has fallen from the true teaching
Difficulty
★★☆☆☆ — repetitive by design; the combinatorial structure rewards mapping out all eight cases explicitly

Why this discourse

AN 8.61 opens a new chapter by naming eight individuals found in the world, sorted by crossing whether a secluded mendicant tries for material things, whether those things actually come, and whether the mendicant then reacts with sorrow or indulgence — with only the reaction itself, not the trying or the getting, determining whether that individual has fallen from the true teaching.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

Whether a secluded mendicant tries for material things or not, and whether those things come or not, doesn't itself decide whether they've fallen from the true teaching — only their reaction does: sorrow at not getting, or indulgent negligence at getting, marks a fall, while equanimity in either outcome does not.

A matrix, not a simple list

This discourse crosses three variables — trying or not trying, getting or not getting, reacting badly or well — producing eight individuals rather than eight independent qualities. The first four combinations all react badly (sorrow when unsuccessful, indulgence when successful) and are declared fallen; the identical four combinations of trying and getting, but reacting with equanimity instead, are declared not fallen.

Trying and getting turn out not to matter

The discourse's real point emerges only once all eight cases are laid out side by side: whether someone tries hard for material things, and whether those things actually arrive, make no difference at all to whether they've fallen from the true teaching. A mendicant who tries and fails but stays equanimous hasn't fallen; a mendicant who never even tries but sorrows anyway when nothing comes has.

Reaction as the single load-bearing variable

Read as a complete set, these eight cases isolate reaction — sorrow and indulgence versus equanimity — as the only variable that actually determines spiritual standing. Effort and outcome are real, and both are named explicitly in every one of the eight cases, but neither one is what the discourse is actually testing for.

Key terms

paṭisallīno viharanto — “stays secluded, living independently” — the shared starting condition of all eight individuals, before their differing effort, outcome, and reaction.
vāyamati, ussahati, vāyamaṁ karoti — “tries hard, strives, and makes an effort” — the first variable crossed in this discourse's matrix.
socati kilamati paridevati, urattāḷiṁ kandati, sammohaṁ āpajjati — “sorrows and wails and laments, beating their breast and falling into confusion” — one of the two reaction types, marking a fall from the true teaching whenever it occurs.
mucchito pamādamāpajjati — “becomes indulgent and falls into negligence” — the other bad reaction, occurring only when material things actually arrive.
cuto ariyassa dhammavinayā — “fallen from the true teaching” — the discourse's own verdict, determined entirely by reaction rather than by effort or outcome.

The text

The discourse in full: eight individuals crossing effort, outcome, and reaction. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

Four individuals who have fallen from the true teaching

§1“Mendicants, these eight individuals are found in the world. What eight? First, when a mendicant stays secluded, living independently, a desire arises for material things. They try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. But material things don’t come to them. And so they sorrow and wail and lament, beating their breast and falling into confusion because they don’t get those material things. This is called a mendicant who lives desiring material things. They try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. But when they do not acquire material things, they sorrow and lament. They’ve fallen from the true teaching. Next, when a mendicant stays secluded, living independently, a desire arises for material things. They try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. And material things do come to them. And so they become indulgent and fall into negligence regarding those material things. This is called a mendicant who lives desiring material things. They try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. And when they acquire material things, they become intoxicated and negligent. They’ve fallen from the true teaching. Next, when a mendicant stays secluded, living independently, a desire arises for material things. They don’t try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. And material things don’t come to them. And so they sorrow and wail and lament, beating their breast and falling into confusion because they don’t get those material things. This is called a mendicant who lives desiring material things. They don’t try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. And when they do not acquire material things, they sorrow and lament. They’ve fallen from the true teaching. Next, when a mendicant stays secluded, living independently, a desire arises for material things. They don’t try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. But material things do come to them. And so they become indulgent and fall into negligence regarding those material things. This is called a mendicant who lives desiring material things. They don’t try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. But when they acquire material things, they become intoxicated and negligent. They’ve fallen from the true teaching.

Four individuals who have not fallen

§2Next, when a mendicant stays secluded, living independently, a desire arises for material things. They try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. But material things don’t come to them. But they don’t sorrow and wail and lament, beating their breast and falling into confusion because they don’t get those material things. This is called a mendicant who lives desiring material things. They try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. But when they do not acquire material things, they don’t sorrow and lament. They haven’t fallen from the true teaching. Next, when a mendicant stays secluded, living independently, a desire arises for material things. They try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. And material things do come to them. But they don’t become indulgent and fall into negligence regarding those material things. This is called a mendicant who lives desiring material things. They try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. But when they acquire material things, they don’t become intoxicated and negligent. They haven’t fallen from the true teaching. Next, when a mendicant stays secluded, living independently, a desire arises for material things. They don’t try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. And material things don’t come to them. But they don’t sorrow and wail and lament, beating their breast and falling into confusion because they don’t get those material things. This is called a mendicant who lives desiring material things. They don’t try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. And when they do not acquire material things, they don’t sorrow and lament. They haven’t fallen from the true teaching. Next, when a mendicant stays secluded, living independently, a desire arises for material things. They don’t try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. But material things do come to them. But they don’t become indulgent and fall into negligence regarding those material things. This is called a mendicant who lives desiring material things. They don’t try hard, strive, and make an effort to get them. And when they acquire material things, they don’t become intoxicated and negligent. They haven’t fallen from the true teaching. These are the eight individuals found in the world.”

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Self-check quiz

6 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 6
What three variables does this discourse's matrix cross to produce eight individuals?
Correct: B. A combinatorial structure, not eight independent qualities.
Question 2 of 6
According to the guide, which variable actually determines whether someone has fallen from the true teaching?
Correct: B. Effort and outcome are named in every case but turn out not to be what the discourse tests for.
Question 3 of 6
What happens to a mendicant who tries hard, fails to get material things, but doesn't sorrow?
Correct: B. One of the four cases in the 'not fallen' half of the matrix.
Question 4 of 6
What marks the first four individuals as 'fallen from the true teaching'?
Correct: B. The bad-reaction half of the matrix, regardless of effort or outcome.
Question 5 of 6
How many individuals does this discourse name in total?
Correct: B. A complete matrix of eight, not a partial list.
Question 6 of 6
Is a setting given for this discourse?
Correct: C. A bare formula, matching several other discourses in this book.
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