Aṅguttara Nikāya · Discourse 8.86

With Nāgita

Nāgitasutta — Sativagga — the ninth chapter of the Eights

Setting
A forest near Icchānaṅgala, a village of Kosalan brahmins
Speakers
The Buddha and Venerable Nāgita, his attendant
Form
A narrative opening with a noisy crowd, then an extended personal account by the Buddha of what he approves and disapproves of, closing with an unexpectedly mundane personal detail
Length
~4 minutes to read
Not organized around an eightfold list at all
Unlike almost every other discourse in this book, this one names no explicit count of eight — it belongs here by placement, its real content a free-flowing, highly personal account
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — narratively rich and unusually candid, worth reading for its portrait of the Buddha's own temperament as much as its explicit content

Why this discourse

When a crowd of brahmins and householders arrives making a “colossal racket” wanting to honor him specially, the Buddha tells his attendant Nāgita that he never wants fame, preferring the pleasure of seclusion any ordinary person can't access — and goes on to give a candid, sometimes surprising account of exactly what pleases and displeases him about how mendicants actually live.

Reading guide

The teaching in one sentence

The Buddha declares he never wants fame, since the “filthy, lazy pleasure” of possessions, honor, and popularity can't compare to the pleasure of renunciation and seclusion he can access at will, then tells Nāgita in detail what specifically pleases and displeases him about how mendicants conduct themselves, in the village and in the wilderness alike.

A noisy crowd, and a blunt refusal of fame

The discourse opens with genuine comic energy: a crowd makes such a racket outside the gate that the Buddha compares it to fishermen hauling in a catch, and when told they've come bearing food specifically to honor him, his response isn't gratitude but a flat declaration that he never wants fame at all — repeated even after Nāgita's own respectful objection that the Buddha's influence naturally draws people “like water flowing downhill.”

Surprisingly candid judgments about mendicant behavior

The Buddha's account of what displeases him is unusually specific and personal: mendicants poking each other and giggling together, or eating until full and then indulging in sleep, both genuinely disappoint him. His preference between village and wilderness dwelling isn't absolute either — he's displeased by a village mendicant sitting immersed in samādhi (fearing they'll be disturbed) but pleased by a wilderness mendicant even when nodding off in meditation, reasoning that at least they'll wake to an environment supporting further practice.

A closing detail almost startling in its ordinariness

The discourse ends not with a grand doctrinal statement but with the Buddha admitting, with disarming candor, that walking a road alone — seeing no one ahead or behind — feels relaxing to him, even for something as mundane as needing to urinate or defecate. This closing detail, unusual in this book's typical register, humanizes the entire discourse's underlying preference for solitude over crowds.

Key terms

mā maṁ yaso āgamā, mā ca yasaṁ āgamiṁ — “may I never become famous. May fame not come to me” — the Buddha's own blunt, repeated declaration, the discourse's central refrain.
kilesikaṁ kasiraṁ lābhasakkārasilokasukhaṁ — “the filthy, lazy pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity” — the Buddha's own dismissive description of what fame actually offers, contrasted with renunciation's pleasure.
aṅgulipatodakena aññamaññaṁ — “poking each other with their fingers, giggling and playing together” — one of the specific behaviors the Buddha names as displeasing him, a candid, almost parental-sounding complaint.
araññe pana bhikkhuṁ passāmi pacalāyamānaṁ nisinnaṁ — “a mendicant in the wilderness who I see sitting nodding in meditation” — a case the Buddha says pleases him despite the apparent lapse, reasoning that the wilderness itself supports recovery.
appossukko sukhaṁ vighāsaṁ karomi — part of the discourse's closing admission about the ordinary relief of walking a road with no one ahead or behind, even for mundane bodily needs.

The text

The discourse in full: a noisy crowd, the Buddha's refusal of fame, and his candid account of what pleases and displeases him about mendicant conduct. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

A noisy crowd, and the Buddha's refusal of fame

§1At one time the Buddha was wandering in the land of the Kosalans together with a large Saṅgha of mendicants when he arrived at a village of the Kosalan brahmins named Icchānaṅgala. He stayed in a forest near Icchānaṅgala. The brahmins and householders of Icchānaṅgala heard: “It seems the ascetic Gotama—a Sakyan, gone forth from a Sakyan family—has arrived at Icchānaṅgala. He is staying in a forest near Icchānaṅgala. He has this good reputation: ‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’ … It’s good to see such perfected ones.” Then, when the night had passed, they took abundant fresh and cooked foods and went to the forest near Icchānaṅgala, where they stood outside the gates making a colossal racket. Now, at that time Venerable Nāgita was the Buddha’s attendant. Then the Buddha said to Nāgita, “Nāgita, who’s making that colossal racket? You’d think it was fishermen hauling in a catch!” “Sir, it’s these brahmins and householders of Icchānaṅgala. They’ve brought abundant fresh and cooked foods, and they’re standing outside the gates wanting to offer it specially to the Buddha and the mendicant Saṅgha.” “Nāgita, may I never become famous. May fame not come to me. There are those who can’t get the pleasure of renunciation, the pleasure of seclusion, the pleasure of peace, the pleasure of awakening when they want, without trouble or difficulty like I can. Let them enjoy the filthy, lazy pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity.” “Sir, may the Blessed One please relent now! May the Holy One relent! Now is the time for the Buddha to relent. Wherever the Buddha now goes, the brahmins and householders, and people of town and country will incline the same way. It’s like when the heavens rain heavily and the water flows downhill. In the same way, wherever the Buddha now goes, the brahmins and householders, and people of town and country will incline the same way. Why is that? Because of the Buddha’s ethics and wisdom.” “Nāgita, may I never become famous. May fame not come to me. There are those who can’t get the pleasure of renunciation, the pleasure of seclusion, the pleasure of peace, the pleasure of awakening when they want, without trouble or difficulty like I can. Let them enjoy the filthy, lazy pleasure of possessions, honor, and popularity.

What displeases him: company, giggling, overeating

§2Even some of the deities can’t get the pleasure of renunciation, the pleasure of seclusion, the pleasure of peace, the pleasure of awakening when they want, without trouble or difficulty like I can. When you all come together to enjoy each other’s company, I think: ‘These venerables mustn’t get the pleasure of renunciation, the pleasure of seclusion, the pleasure of peace, the pleasure of awakening when they want, without trouble or difficulty like I can. That must be because they come together to enjoy each other’s company.’ Take mendicants I see poking each other with their fingers, giggling and playing together. I think to myself: ‘These venerables mustn’t get the pleasure of renunciation, the pleasure of seclusion, the pleasure of peace, the pleasure of awakening when they want, without trouble or difficulty like I can. That must be because they’re poking each other with their fingers, giggling and playing together.’ Take mendicants I see eat as much as they like until their bellies are full, then indulge in the pleasures of sleeping, lying down, and drowsing. I think to myself: ‘These venerables mustn’t get the pleasure of renunciation, the pleasure of seclusion, the pleasure of peace, the pleasure of awakening when they want, without trouble or difficulty like I can. That must be because they eat as much as they like until their bellies are full, then indulge in the pleasures of sleeping, lying down, and drowsing.’

Village and wilderness, judged case by case

§3Take a mendicant living within a village who I see sitting immersed in samādhi. I think to myself: ‘Now a monastery worker, a novice, or a fellow practitioner will make this venerable fall from immersion.’ So I’m not pleased that that mendicant is living within a village. Take a mendicant in the wilderness who I see sitting nodding in meditation. I think to myself: ‘Now this venerable, having dispelled that sleepiness and weariness, will focus just on the unified perception of wilderness.’ So I’m pleased that that mendicant is living in the wilderness. Take a mendicant in the wilderness who I see sitting without being immersed in samādhi. I think to myself: ‘Now if this venerable’s mind is not immersed in samādhi they will immerse it; or if it is immersed in samādhi, they will preserve it.’ So I’m pleased that that mendicant is living in the wilderness. Take a mendicant in the wilderness who I see sitting immersed in samādhi. I think to myself: ‘Now this venerable will free the unfreed mind or preserve the freed mind.’ So I’m pleased that that mendicant is living in the wilderness. Take a mendicant who I see living within a village receiving robes, almsfood, lodgings, and medicines and supplies for the sick. Enjoying possessions, honor, and popularity they neglect retreat, and they neglect remote lodgings in the wilderness and the forest. They come down to villages, towns and capital cities and make their homes there. So I’m not pleased that that mendicant is living within a village. Take a mendicant who I see in the wilderness receiving robes, almsfood, lodgings, and medicines and supplies for the sick. Fending off possessions, honor, and popularity they don’t neglect retreat, and they don’t neglect remote lodgings in the wilderness and the forest. So I’m pleased that that mendicant is living in the wilderness.

A closing, unexpectedly ordinary detail

§4Nāgita, when I’m walking along a road and I don’t see anyone ahead or behind I feel relaxed, even if I need to urinate or defecate.”

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Self-check quiz

6 questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 6
How does the Buddha respond when told a crowd has come bearing food specifically to honor him?
Correct: B. A blunt refusal, repeated even after Nāgita's own respectful objection.
Question 2 of 6
What specific mendicant behaviors does the Buddha say displease him?
Correct: B. Candid, almost parental-sounding complaints about specific observed conduct.
Question 3 of 6
How does the Buddha judge a village mendicant sitting immersed in samādhi, versus a wilderness mendicant nodding off in meditation?
Correct: B. A nuanced, situation-specific judgment rather than a simple rule.
Question 4 of 6
What does the discourse's closing detail reveal?
Correct: B. An unusually ordinary, humanizing detail closing the discourse.
Question 5 of 6
According to the guide, how is this discourse structured, unlike almost every other discourse in this book?
Correct: B. An outlier in structure, its content unusually personal and narrative.
Question 6 of 6
Where is this discourse set?
Correct: B. A specific named location, distinct from this book's more common settings.
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