Saṃyutta Nikāya · Discourse 16.6

Advice

Ovādasutta

Setting
Near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove
Speakers
The Buddha, Venerable Mahākassapa, and two unnamed junior monks
Form
A request, a specific named complaint, a summons, a confession, and forgiveness
Length
~3 minutes to read
Northern parallel
A rough counterpart may exist in the Chinese Saṃyukta-āgama (T99), though this reading guide does not assert a specific matching sutra number
Difficulty
★★★☆☆ — opens a three-discourse set on advising the monastic community

Why this discourse

The Buddha asks Kassapa to either advise the mendicants himself or let the Buddha do it. Kassapa's answer is candid rather than diplomatic: the mendicants these days are hard to admonish, impatient, and don't take instruction respectfully — and he names a specific case. Two young monks, one Ānanda's protégé and the other Anuruddha's, have been competing over who can recite more, better, and longer, treating study as a contest rather than practice. The Buddha summons them directly, confirms the accusation, and delivers a sharp rebuke. The two monks immediately confess, apologize, and ask to restrain themselves in future — and the Buddha accepts their confession, closing with a teaching that recognizing and correcting a mistake is itself a form of growth.

Reading guide

A candid answer, not a diplomatic deflection

Kassapa doesn't soften his assessment of the current monastic community; “hard to admonish… impatient… don't take instruction respectfully” is a direct, unflattering diagnosis offered without hedging.

A specific, named example rather than a vague complaint

Kassapa doesn't merely generalize; he names the two monks involved, identifies whose protégés they are, and quotes their exact competitive taunt — giving the Buddha, and the reader, something concrete to evaluate.

Competitive recitation named as a genuine failure

“Who can speak more, who can speak better, who can speak longer” turns study, ostensibly a spiritual discipline, into a status contest — the Buddha's sharp question, “have you ever known me to teach the Dhamma like this?”, exposes exactly how far this has drifted from the actual purpose of learning.

Genuine confession, not mere compliance

The two monks don't simply stop when caught; they bow at the Buddha's feet, explicitly name their own conduct as foolish, stupid, and unskillful, and ask for future restraint — a complete, unprompted acknowledgment rather than a grudging correction.

Growth defined as the capacity to recognize and correct fault

The Buddha's closing teaching reframes the entire episode: it isn't merely that a mistake was made and then fixed, but that recognizing a mistake, dealing with it properly, and committing to restraint is itself what growth in the Noble One's training looks like.

Key terms

ovada, kassapa, bhikkhū — “Kassapa, advise the mendicants!” — the Buddha's opening request, this discourse's title subject.
dubbacā … dovacassakaraṇehi dhammehi — “hard to admonish…having qualities that make them hard to admonish” — Kassapa's blunt diagnosis of the current monastic community.
ko bahutaraṁ bhāsissati, ko sundarataraṁ bhāsissati, ko cirataraṁ bhāsissati — “who can speak more, who can speak better, who can speak longer” — the exact competitive taunt Kassapa reports and the Buddha condemns.
moghapurisā — “futile men” — the Buddha's sharp term of rebuke for the two competing monks.
vuddhi hesā … ariyassa vinaye — “this is growth in the training of the Noble One” — the Buddha's closing reframe, naming honest correction of fault as spiritual growth itself.

The text

The discourse in full. Translation: Bhikkhu Sujato (CC0, SuttaCentral).

§1Near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove. Then Venerable Mahākassapa went up to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him: “Kassapa, advise the mendicants! Give them a Dhamma talk! Either you or I should advise the mendicants and give them a Dhamma talk.”

§2“Sir, the mendicants these days are hard to admonish, having qualities that make them hard to admonish. They’re impatient, and don’t take instruction respectfully. Take the monk named Bhaṇḍa, Ānanda’s protégé. He’s been competing in studies with the monk named Abhiñjika, Anuruddha’s protégé. They say: ‘Come on, monk, who can speak more? Who can speak better? Who can speak longer?’”

§3So the Buddha addressed one of the monks, “Please, monk, in my name tell the monk called Bhaṇḍa, Ānanda’s protégé, and the monk called Abhiñjika, Anuruddha’s protégé that the teacher summons them.” “Yes, sir,” that monk replied. He went to those monks and said, “Venerables, the teacher summons you.”

§4“Yes, reverend,” those monks replied. They went to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. The Buddha said to them: “Is it really true, monks, that you’ve been competing in studies, saying: ‘Come on, monk, who can speak more? Who can speak better? Who can speak longer?’” “Yes, sir.” “Have you ever known me to teach the Dhamma like this: ‘Please mendicants, compete in studies to see who can recite more and better and longer’?” “No, sir.” “If you’ve never known me to teach the Dhamma like this, what then do you know and see, you futile men, that after going forth in such a well explained teaching and training you’d compete in studies to see who can speak more and better and longer?”

§5Then those monks bowed with their heads at the Buddha’s feet and said, “We made a mistake, sir. It was foolish, stupid, and unskillful of us in that after going forth in such a well explained teaching and training we competed in studies to see who can speak more and better and longer. Please, sir, accept our mistake for what it is, so we will restrain ourselves in future.”

§6“Indeed, monks, you made a mistake. It was foolish, stupid, and unskillful of you to act in that way. But since you have recognized your mistake for what it is, and have dealt with it properly, I accept it. For it is growth in the training of the Noble One to recognize a mistake for what it is, deal with it properly, and commit to restraint in the future.”

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Self-check quiz

Ten questions. Click an answer to see immediate feedback. No score is recorded — this is for your own checking.

Question 1 of 10
What does the Buddha ask Kassapa to do at the start of this discourse?
Correct: A. Either Kassapa or the Buddha himself will do it.
Question 2 of 10
How does Kassapa characterize the mendicants "these days"?
Correct: A. A candid, unflattering diagnosis offered directly.
Question 3 of 10
What specific example does Kassapa give?
Correct: A. Named individuals and their exact competitive taunt.
Question 4 of 10
How does the Buddha respond upon confirming the accusation is true?
Correct: A. "Have you ever known me to teach the Dhamma like this?"
Question 5 of 10
How do the two monks respond to the Buddha's rebuke?
Correct: A. A complete, unprompted confession rather than mere compliance.
Question 6 of 10
What does the Buddha's closing teaching identify as genuine growth?
Correct: A. A reframing of the whole episode around the value of honest correction.
Question 7 of 10
Whose protégés are the two competing monks?
Correct: A. Bhaṇḍa (Ānanda's) and Abhiñjika (Anuruddha's).
Question 8 of 10
What term does the Buddha use to rebuke the two monks?
Correct: A. A sharp, direct term marking the severity of the rebuke.
Question 9 of 10
Where does this discourse take place?
Correct: A. The same general region as SN 16.5's personal exchange.
Question 10 of 10
What numbering tag closes this discourse?
Correct: A. The sixth discourse of this saṃyutta, opening a three-part set on advice.
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