Part 34 of 40 · Fascicle 34 · 迦葉菩薩品第十二之二 · 大般涅槃經 T0374 (Northern Edition)

Twenty Answers to Twenty Doubts

Having ended Part 33 with Kāśyapa's own catalogue of twenty contradictions later disciples would draw from the Buddha's teaching, the Buddha now takes up each one in turn — not to declare a single winning side, but to name the exact person, the exact moment, and the exact need each statement was made for. Fifty-three thousand sages at a fragrant mountain, three hundred thousand wrestlers moved by a floating stone, a king who murders his own father and finds no peace even in the throne he killed for, a prince who loses his sight of buddha-nature the moment he insists it must be identical to himself — every apparent contradiction turns out to be two true things said to two different people, at two different moments, for two entirely different reasons.

Translator: Ru-Yi Meditation Center Status: Part 34 of 40 Source: Taishō T0374, 大般涅槃經 (tr. Dharmakṣema, 421 CE) Reading notes after Huiyuan's 大般涅槃經義記 (T1764)

Why the Buddha Said Both "Three Months Hence" and "I Am Ever-Abiding"

Chinese Source

「◎善男子!若言如來畢竟涅槃、不畢竟涅槃,是人不解如來意故,作如是說。善男子!是香山中有諸仙人五萬三千,皆於過去迦葉佛所,修諸功德未得正道,親近諸佛聽受正法。如來欲為如是人故,告阿難言:『過三月已,吾當涅槃。』諸天聞已,其聲展轉乃至香山。諸仙聞已,即生悔心,作如是言:『云何我等得生人中,不親近佛?諸佛如來出世甚難,如優曇花,我今當往至世尊所聽受正法。』善男子!爾時五萬三千諸仙即來我所,我時即為如應說法:『諸大士!色是無常。何以故?色之因緣是無常故,無常因生,色云何常?乃至識亦如是。』爾時諸仙聞是法已,即時獲得阿羅漢果。「善男子!拘尸那竭有諸力士三十萬人,無所繫屬,自恃憍恣、色力命財,狂醉亂心。善男子!我為調伏諸力士故,告目連言:『汝當調伏如是力士。』時目犍連敬順我教,於五年中種種教化,乃至不能令一力士受法調伏。是故我復為彼力士告阿難言:『過三月已,吾當涅槃。』善男子!時諸力士聞是語已,相與集聚,平治道路。過三月已,我時便從毘舍離國,至拘尸那城,中路遙見諸力士輩,即自化身為沙門像,往力士所作如是言:『諸童子!作何事耶?』力士聞已,皆生瞋恨,作如是言:『沙門!汝今云何謂我等輩為童子耶?』我時語言:『汝今大眾三十萬人,盡其身力,不能移此微末小石,云何不名為童子乎?』諸力士言:『汝若謂我為童子者,當知汝即是大人也。』善男子!我於爾時以足二指,掘出此石。是諸力士見是事已,即於己身生輕劣想,復作是言:『沙門!汝今復能移徙此石,令出道不?』我言童子:『何因緣故,嚴治此道?』諸力士言:『沙門!汝不知耶?釋迦如來當由此路至娑羅林,入於涅槃。以是因緣,我等平治。』我時讚言:『善哉,善哉!童子!汝等已發如是善心,吾當為汝除去此石。』我時以手舉擲大石,高至阿迦尼吒。時諸力士見石在空,皆生驚怖,尋欲四散。我復告言:『諸力士等,汝今不應生恐怖心,各欲散去。』諸力士言:『沙門!若能救護我者,我當安住。』爾時我復以手接石,置之右掌。力士見已,心生歡喜,復作是言:『沙門!是石常耶?是無常乎?』我於爾時,以口吹之,石即散壞,猶如微塵。力士見已唱言:『沙門!是石無常。』即生愧心而自考責:『云何我等,恃怙自在色力命財,而生憍慢?』我知其心,即捨化身,還復本形而為說法。力士見已,一切皆發菩提之心。

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, should anyone say that the Tathāgata truly, finally enters nirvāṇa, or that he does not finally enter nirvāṇa at all, this person simply fails to understand the Tathāgata's own intention, and so speaks in this way. Good son, in the fragrant mountain there dwelt fifty-three thousand seers, every one of whom had, in the age of the past buddha Kāśyapa, cultivated every kind of merit without yet attaining the true path, drawing close to the buddhas and receiving the true Dharma. Wishing to teach these very seers, the Tathāgata said to Ānanda: 'After three months have passed, I shall enter nirvāṇa.' The gods, hearing of this, passed the word on, until it reached, in turn, all the way to the fragrant mountain. These seers, hearing it, at once gave rise to a mind of regret, saying: 'How could we possibly have been born among humans, and yet never once drawn close to the Buddha? A buddha's own appearance in the world is exceedingly rare, like the udumbara flower — we ought now to go to where the World-Honored One is, and receive the true Dharma.' Good son, these fifty-three thousand seers then came to where I was, and I taught the Dharma for them exactly as was fitting: 'Great beings, form is impermanent — why is this? Because the very cause and condition of form is itself impermanent, and, arising from an impermanent cause, how could form possibly be permanent? And, all the way through, consciousness is exactly the same.' Upon hearing this teaching, these seers at once attained the fruit of arhatship. "Good son, at Kuśinagara there dwelt three hundred thousand wrestlers, belonging to no one, relying arrogantly and self-indulgently upon their own beauty, strength, life, and wealth, their minds wild and confused. Good son, wishing to tame these very wrestlers, I said to Maudgalyāyana: 'You ought to tame wrestlers such as these.' Maudgalyāyana, reverently following my own instruction, taught and transformed them in every kind of way across five years, and yet was unable to bring even a single one of these wrestlers to accept the Dharma and be tamed. It was for this very reason that I, for the sake of these wrestlers, said to Ānanda: 'After three months have passed, I shall enter nirvāṇa.' Good son, these wrestlers, hearing this, gathered together and set about leveling the road. Once three months had passed, I set out from the kingdom of Vaiśālī toward the city of Kuśinagara, and, along the way, saw these wrestlers from a distance, and at once transformed my own body into the likeness of a śramaṇa, and, going to where they were, said: 'Young men, what are you doing here?' The wrestlers, hearing this, all gave rise to resentment, saying: 'Śramaṇa, how dare you call us "young men"?' I then said: 'Here you are, three hundred thousand strong, and yet, exerting the whole of your own bodily strength, you are unable to move even this small, insignificant stone — how, then, could you not be called mere young men?' The wrestlers said: 'Should you call us young men on this account, know that you yourself must then be a truly great man indeed.' Good son, I, at that very moment, dug this very stone out using only two toes of my own foot. These wrestlers, seeing this, at once gave rise to a low estimation of their own selves, and said, further: 'Śramaṇa, are you also able to move this stone entirely off the road?' I said to these young men: 'For what cause and condition are you leveling this very road?' The wrestlers said: 'Śramaṇa, do you not know? The Tathāgata Śākyamuni shall pass along this very road to the sāla grove, to enter nirvāṇa there — it is for this very reason that we are leveling it.' I then praised them, saying: 'Excellent, excellent, young men! Since you have already given rise to a wholesome mind such as this, I shall now remove this stone for your sake.' I then lifted this great stone with my own hand and cast it up, as high as the Akaniṣṭha heaven. The wrestlers, seeing this stone suspended in the sky, all gave rise to terror, and sought at once to scatter in every direction. I said to them, further: 'Wrestlers, you ought not to give rise to any fear at all, nor should you each seek to flee.' The wrestlers said: 'Śramaṇa, should you be able to protect us, we shall remain here in peace.' I then, once more, caught this stone with my own hand, and placed it upon my own right palm. The wrestlers, seeing this, gave rise to joy, and said, further: 'Śramaṇa, is this stone permanent, or is it impermanent?' I then, at that very moment, blew upon it with my own breath, and the stone at once scattered and crumbled, exactly like fine dust. The wrestlers, seeing this, proclaimed: 'Śramaṇa, this stone is impermanent!' — and at once gave rise to a mind of shame, reproaching themselves, saying: 'How could we possibly have relied so arrogantly upon our own beauty, strength, life, and wealth, giving rise to such pride?' Knowing their own minds had changed, I then relinquished my own transformed body, returned to my own true form, and taught the Dharma for them — and these wrestlers, seeing this, every one of them gave rise to the bodhi-mind."

Chinese Source

「善男子!拘尸那竭有一工巧,名曰純陀,是人先於迦葉佛所,發大誓願:『釋迦如來入涅槃時,我當最後奉施飲食。』是故我於毘舍離國,顧命比丘優波摩那:『善男子!過三月已,吾當於彼拘尸那竭娑羅雙樹,入般涅槃。汝可往告純陀令知。』善男子!王舍城中有五通仙,名須跋陀,年百二十,常自稱是一切智人,生大憍慢,已於過去無量佛所,種諸善根,我亦為欲調伏彼故,告阿難言:『過三月已,吾當涅槃。須跋聞已,當來我所,生信敬心,我當為彼說種種法,其人聞已,當得盡漏。』「善男子!羅閱耆王頻婆娑羅,其王太子名曰善見,業因緣故,生惡逆心,欲害其父,而不得便。爾時惡人提婆達多,亦因過去業因緣故,復於我所生不善心,欲害於我,即修五通,不久獲得,與善見太子共為親厚。為太子故,現作種種神通之事,從非門出、從門而入,從門而出、非門而入,或時示現象馬牛羊、男女之身。善見太子見已,即生愛心、喜心、敬信之心,為是事故,嚴設種種供養之具而供養之,又復白言:『大師,聖人。我今欲見曼陀羅花。』時調婆達多即便往至三十三天,從彼天人而求索之,其福盡故,都無與者。既不得花,作是思惟:『曼陀羅樹,無我、我所,我若自取,當有何罪?』即前欲取,便失神通,還見己身,在王舍城。心生慚愧,不能復見善見太子,復作是念:『我今當往至如來所,求索大眾。佛若聽者,我當隨意教詔勅使舍利弗等。』爾時提婆達多便來我所,作如是言:『唯願如來,以此大眾付囑於我,我當種種說法教化,令其調伏。』我言癡人:『舍利弗等聰明大智,世所信伏。我猶不以大眾付囑,況汝癡人,食唾者乎?』時提婆達,復於我所倍生惡心,作如是言:『瞿曇!汝今雖復調伏大眾,勢亦不久,當見磨滅。』作是語已,大地即時六返震動,提婆達多尋時躄地,於其身邊,出大暴風吹諸塵土,而污坌之。提婆達多見惡相已,復作是言:『若我此身現世必入阿鼻地獄,我要當報如是大怨。』時提婆達多,尋起往至善見太子所,善見見已即問:『聖人!何故顏容憔悴,有憂色耶?』提婆達言:『我常如是,汝不知乎?』善見答言:『願說其意何因緣爾?』提婆達言:『我今與汝極成親愛,外人罵汝以為非理,我聞是事,豈得不憂?』善見太子復作是言:『國人云何罵辱於我?』提婆達言:『國人罵汝為未生怨。』善見復言:『何故名我為未生怨?誰作此名?』提婆達言:『汝未生時,一切相師皆作是言,是兒生已當殺其父。是故外人皆悉號汝為未生怨。一切內人,護汝心故,謂為善見。韋提夫人聞是語已,既生汝身於高樓上,棄之於地,壞汝一指。以是因緣,人復號汝為婆羅留枝。我聞是已,心生愁憒,而復不能向汝說之。』提婆達多以如是等種種惡事,教令殺父:『若汝殺父,我亦能殺瞿曇沙門。』善見太子問一大臣,名曰雨行:『大王何故為我立字作未生怨?』大臣即為說其本末,如提婆達所說無異。善見聞已,即與大臣收其父王,閉之城外,以四種兵而守衛之。韋提夫人聞是事已,即至王所,諸守王人,遮不聽入。爾時夫人生瞋恚心,便呵罵之。時諸守人即告太子:『大王!夫人欲得往見父王,不審聽不?』善見聞已,復生瞋嫌,即往母所,前牽母髮,拔刀欲斫。爾時耆婆白言:『大王!有國已來,罪雖極重,不及女人,況所生母?』善見太子聞是語已,為耆婆故,即便放捨。遮斷父王衣服臥具、飲食湯藥,過七日已,王命便終。善見太子見父喪已,方生悔心,雨行大臣復以種種惡邪之法而為說之:『大王!一切業行都無有罪,何故今者而生悔心?』耆婆復言:『大王!當知如是業者,罪兼二種:一者殺害父王,二者殺須陀洹。如是罪者,除佛更無能除滅者。』善見王言:『如來清淨,無有穢濁,我等罪人,云何得見?』善男子!我知是事,故告阿難:『過三月已,吾當涅槃。善見聞已,即來我所,我為說法,重罪得薄,獲無根信。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,故作是言:『如來定說畢竟涅槃。』」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, at Kuśinagara there was a skilled craftsman named Cunda, who had, in ages past, at the buddha Kāśyapa's own feet, made a great vow: 'When the Tathāgata Śākyamuni enters nirvāṇa, may I be the very last to offer him food and drink.' It was for this very reason that, while in the kingdom of Vaiśālī, I instructed the monk Upamāna: 'Good son, after three months have passed, I shall enter nirvāṇa there, at Kuśinagara, among the twin sāla trees — go and inform Cunda, so that he may know of this.' Good son, in the city of Rājagṛha, there was a seer possessed of the five supernatural powers, named Subhadra, one hundred and twenty years of age, who forever proclaimed himself an omniscient being, filled with great arrogance, though he had, in ages past, planted every kind of wholesome root at the feet of countless buddhas — and it was likewise in order to tame this very man that I said to Ānanda: 'After three months have passed, I shall enter nirvāṇa. Subhadra, hearing this, shall come to where I am, giving rise to a mind of faith and reverence, and I shall teach every kind of Dharma for him — and this man, upon hearing it, shall attain the exhaustion of every outflow.' "Good son, King Bimbisāra of Rājagṛha had a crown prince named Ajātaśatru, who, on account of his own past karma, gave rise to a murderous, rebellious mind, wishing to kill his own father, yet finding no opportunity to do so. At that time, the evil man Devadatta, likewise on account of his own past karma, gave rise to an unwholesome mind toward me, wishing to harm me, and so cultivated the five supernatural powers, which he soon attained, and became closely intimate with Prince Ajātaśatru. For the prince's sake, he manifested every kind of supernatural feat — emerging where there was no door and entering by the door, emerging by the door and entering where there was no door, and, at times, manifesting the body of an elephant, a horse, an ox, a sheep, or a man or a woman. Prince Ajātaśatru, seeing this, gave rise to affection, delight, and a mind of reverent faith, and, on this account, prepared and offered him every kind of lavish gift, further saying: 'Great teacher, holy one, I now wish to see the coral-tree flower.' Devadatta then went to the Trāyastriṃśa heaven, and sought this flower from the gods there — yet, because his own merit was already exhausted, no one at all would give it to him. Failing to obtain the flower, he reflected: 'The coral tree has no self, and nothing belonging to a self — should I simply take it myself, what fault could there possibly be in that?' He then stepped forward to take it, and at once lost his own supernatural power, finding himself back in the city of Rājagṛha. Filled with shame, and unable to face Prince Ajātaśatru again, he further reflected: 'I ought now to go to where the Tathāgata is, and ask him for his own assembly of disciples — should the Buddha grant this, I shall then be free to instruct and command Śāriputra and the rest as I wish.' Devadatta then came to where I was, and said: 'I ask only that the Tathāgata entrust this very assembly to me — I shall teach and transform them in every kind of way, and bring them under my own control.' I said to this fool: 'Śāriputra and the others are wise and greatly intelligent, trusted and respected throughout the world — I would not entrust the assembly even to them, how much less, then, to a fool such as you, who feeds upon mere spittle?' Devadatta, at this, gave rise to an even greater evil mind toward me, saying: 'Gautama, though you now hold this assembly under your own control, your own power, too, shall not last long, and you shall soon see it wither away.' Having spoken these words, the great earth at once shook in six ways, and Devadatta at once fell prostrate to the ground, a great violent wind arising beside his own body, blowing dust and dirt over him, defiling him entirely. Devadatta, seeing this evil omen, said, further: 'Should this very body of mine, in this present life, certainly enter the Avīci hell, I must still avenge this very great enmity of mine.' Devadatta then rose and went to where Prince Ajātaśatru was. Ajātaśatru, seeing him, asked: 'Holy one, why does your countenance appear so haggard, so filled with sorrow?' Devadatta said: 'I am always like this — did you not know?' Ajātaśatru answered: 'I beg you, tell me the reason why.' Devadatta said: 'You and I are now the closest of friends — outsiders slander you unjustly, and, hearing of this, how could I not be troubled?' Prince Ajātaśatru said, further: 'How, exactly, do the people of this land slander and insult me?' Devadatta said: 'The people of this land call you Ajātaśatru, "the enemy before birth."' Ajātaśatru said, further: 'Why am I named "the enemy before birth"? Who gave me this name?' Devadatta said: 'Before you were born, every physiognomist in the land said that this child, once born, would kill his own father — and it is for this very reason that outsiders all call you "the enemy before birth." Those close to you, wishing to protect your own feelings, call you instead "Ajātaśatru, the well-seen one." Queen Vaidehī, upon hearing this prophecy, once you were born, threw you down from a high tower to the ground, breaking one of your own fingers — and it is for this very reason that people, further, call you "the one with the broken finger." I, hearing of this, was filled with sorrow and distress, and yet was unable to tell you of it.' Devadatta, through evil deeds of exactly this kind, incited him to kill his own father, saying: 'Should you kill your father, I, too, shall be able to kill the śramaṇa Gautama.' Prince Ajātaśatru then asked one of his own great ministers, named Varṣākāra: 'Why, minister, was I given the name "the enemy before birth"?' This minister then told him the whole story, exactly as Devadatta had told it, without any difference at all. Ajātaśatru, hearing this, at once, together with this minister, seized his own father, the king, imprisoned him outside the city, and guarded him with all four divisions of his own army. Queen Vaidehī, hearing of this, went at once to where the king was, but the guards there blocked her, refusing to let her enter. The queen, at this, gave rise to a mind of anger, and rebuked them harshly. The guards then reported to the prince: 'Great king, the queen wishes to see the king, her husband — are we to permit this or not?' Ajātaśatru, hearing this, gave rise, further, to anger and suspicion, and went at once to his own mother, seizing her by the hair and drawing his sword to strike her. At this, Jīvaka said to him: 'Great king, since the founding of this kingdom, however grave a crime may be, it has never extended to a woman — how much less, then, to one's own birth mother?' Prince Ajātaśatru, hearing these words, for Jīvaka's own sake, at once released her. He then cut off his own father's clothing, bedding, food and drink, and medicine — and, after seven days had passed, the king's own life came to an end. Prince Ajātaśatru, seeing that his own father had died, only then gave rise to a mind of regret — yet the minister Varṣākāra, further, spoke to him with every kind of evil, wrong teaching, saying: 'Great king, no karmic action at all bears any fault whatsoever — why, then, do you now give rise to a mind of regret?' Jīvaka said, further: 'Great king, you should know that a deed of exactly this kind carries a twofold crime: first, the killing of one's own father, the king; and second, the killing of a stream-enterer. A crime of this kind, none but the Buddha himself is able to remove.' King Ajātaśatru said: 'The Tathāgata is pure, without any defilement or turbidity at all — how could a sinner such as I possibly go to see him?' Good son, knowing of this very matter, I said to Ānanda: 'After three months have passed, I shall enter nirvāṇa.' Ajātaśatru, hearing this, came at once to where I was, and I taught the Dharma for him, and his own grave sin was thereby lightened, and he attained rootless faith. Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so said: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that he shall finally enter nirvāṇa.'"

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Each of these four episodes shows the exact same three-month announcement producing an entirely different, calibrated effect on an entirely different audience: the sages need only to hear that a buddha's presence is finite to be moved to seek him out before it is too late; the arrogant wrestlers need a demonstration of impermanence made physically undeniable (a stone lifted, suspended, then dissolved to dust) before pride can even begin to loosen its grip; Subhadra needs the announcement as a summons to come at all; and Ajātaśatru — whose crime is treated as the gravest possible case, a double murder of father and stream-enterer that "none but the Buddha can remove" — needs it as his own last, narrow window in which approach might still be conceivable. Read together, the four cases make the passage's own argument better than any abstract statement could: "three months hence I shall enter nirvāṇa" was never a metaphysical claim about the nature of the Tathāgata's own body at all, but a single skillful device recalibrated four separate times for four entirely different kinds of listener, each one needing a different degree of urgency to actually move.

The Ajātaśatru narrative — Devadatta's own failed theft of the coral flower, his manipulation of the prince through the "enemy before birth" name, and the parricide's own devastating aftermath — is one of the most extensively told individual stories in the sūtra, and its detail is not incidental: the passage needs the reader to feel the full weight of what "the gravest possible crime" actually means before the very next line can show that even this crime yields to the same compassionate device used for far lesser cases. This is the sūtra's own answer, in narrative rather than doctrinal form, to the question animating this entire fascicle: whether an apparently rigid teaching (the Buddha "will" enter nirvāṇa) can still function as a flexible, life-saving instrument once its true audience and purpose are correctly identified.

Self and No-Self

Chinese Source

「善男子!有諸眾生,生於斷見,作如是言:『一切眾生身滅之後,善惡之業無有受者。』我為是人,作如是言:『善惡果報,實有受者。』云何知有?善男子!過去之世拘尸那竭,有王名曰善見,作童子時經八萬四千歲,作太子時八萬四千歲,及登王位亦八萬四千歲。於獨處坐,作是思惟:『眾生薄福,壽命短促,常有四怨,而隨逐之,不自覺知,猶故放逸。是故我當出家修道,斷絕四怨:生、老、病、死。』即勅有司,於其城外,作七寶堂。作已便告群臣、百官、宮內妃后、諸子眷屬:『汝等當知,我欲出家,能見聽不?』爾時大臣及其眷屬各作是言:『善哉,大王!今正是時。』時善見王,將一使人,獨住堂上,復經八萬四千年中,修習慈心。是慈因緣,於後八萬四千世中次第得作轉輪聖王,三十世中作釋提桓因,無量世中作諸小王。善男子!爾時善見豈異人乎?莫作斯觀,即我身是。善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來定說有我及有我所。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, there are certain beings who give rise to the view of annihilation, saying: 'Once every being's body has perished, there remains no one at all to receive the fruit of good or evil karma.' For the sake of such people, I said: 'The fruit of good and evil karma truly does have someone to receive it.' How is this known to be so? Good son, in an age long past, at Kuśinagara, there was a king named Sudarśana, who spent eighty-four thousand years as a young boy, eighty-four thousand years as crown prince, and, again, eighty-four thousand years upon ascending the throne. Sitting alone in solitude, he reflected: 'Beings are of scant merit, their lifespans brief, forever pursued by four enemies without ever recognizing it themselves, and so remain heedless still. For this very reason I ought to leave the household life and cultivate the path, cutting off these four enemies: birth, old age, sickness, and death.' He then ordered his own officials to build a hall of seven jewels outside the city. Once it was built, he announced to his ministers, his officials, the consorts and queens of his own palace, and his sons and kinsmen: 'You should all know that I wish to leave the household life — will you grant me leave to do so?' His ministers and kinsmen, at this, all said: 'Excellent, great king! Now is exactly the time.' King Sudarśana then, taking a single attendant with him, dwelt alone in this hall, and, across a further eighty-four thousand years, cultivated a mind of loving-kindness. On account of this very loving-kindness, across the following eighty-four thousand ages he became, in succession, a wheel-turning sage-king; across thirty ages he became Śakra, lord of the gods; and across countless ages he became various minor kings. Good son, could this King Sudarśana of that time possibly have been someone else? Do not view it so — it was I myself. Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that there is a self, and that there is something belonging to a self.'"

Chinese Source

「又我一時為諸眾生說言:『我者即是性也,所謂內外因緣、十二因緣、眾生、五陰,心界、世間、功德、業行、自在天,世,即名為我。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來定說有我。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"And I, on another occasion, taught for the sake of various beings, saying: 'The self is simply nature itself — that is to say, internal and external causes and conditions, the twelve links, beings, the five aggregates, the realm of mind, the world, merit, karmic action, Īśvara, and the age itself — all of these are called the self.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that there is a self.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!復於異時,有一比丘,來至我所,作如是言:『世尊!云何名我?誰是我耶?何緣故我?』我時即為比丘說言:『比丘!無我、我所。眼者即是本無今有,已有還無。其生之時,無所從來,及其滅時,亦無所至,雖有業果,無有作者,無有捨陰及受陰者。如汝所問,云何我者?我即期也。誰是我者?即是業也。何緣我者?即是愛也。比丘!譬如二手相拍,聲出其中。我亦如是,眾生、業、愛三因緣故,名之為我。比丘!一切眾生,色不是我、我中無色、色中無我,乃至識亦如是。比丘!諸外道輩雖說有我,終不離陰,若說離陰別有我者,無有是處。一切眾生,行如幻化、熱時之焰。比丘!五陰皆是無常、無樂、無我、無淨。善男子!爾時多有無量比丘,觀此五陰,無我、我所,得阿羅漢果。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來定說無我。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, on yet another occasion, a certain monk came to where I was, and said: 'World-Honored One, what is meant by "self"? Who, exactly, is this self? For what reason is there a self at all?' I then said, for this monk's sake: 'Monk, there is no self, and nothing belonging to a self. The eye itself is originally without existence, now come to exist, and, having come to exist, returns again to non-existence. At the moment of its arising, it comes from nowhere at all; and, at the moment of its ceasing, it goes nowhere at all — though there is indeed the fruit of karma, there is no one at all who acts, and no one at all who either relinquishes or takes up the aggregates. As you have asked — what, then, is this "self"? The self is simply expectation itself. Who, then, is this self? It is simply karma itself. For what reason is there a self? It is simply craving itself. Monk, it is exactly like two hands clapping together, from which a sound emerges — I, too, am exactly like this: it is on account of the three causes and conditions of being, karma, and craving together that the name "self" is given. Monk, for every single being, form is not the self, the self does not exist within form, and form does not exist within the self — and, all the way through, consciousness is exactly the same. Monk, the various non-Buddhist schools, though they speak of a self, never once depart from the aggregates in doing so — and, should any of them claim that a self exists separately, apart from the aggregates, there is no such thing at all. Every being's own activity is exactly like a magical illusion, or a shimmering mirage in the summer heat. Monk, the five aggregates are, every one of them, impermanent, without bliss, without self, and without purity.' Good son, at that very time, countless monks, contemplating these very five aggregates as without self and without anything belonging to a self, attained the fruit of arhatship. Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that there is no self at all.'"

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The self/no-self pair works the same way as the three-month/ever-abiding pair in the previous section: it is not two metaphysical claims left standing in contradiction, but two antidotes given to two different diseases. Against the nihilist who thinks nothing survives to receive karma's fruit, the King Sudarśana story — an eighty-four-thousand-year sequence of lives, culminating in the very body now speaking — establishes continuity of consequence. Against the essentialist who wants a self standing behind or apart from the aggregates, the two-hands-clapping simile reduces "self" to nothing more than the meeting-point of being, karma, and craving, with no independent thing left over once those three are removed. Both teachings serve the same buddha-nature discussion the fascicle keeps circling back to: a continuity strong enough to carry karmic fruit across immeasurable ages, yet without a fixed, independently existing self anywhere within it.

The Intermediate State, and Retrogression

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「善男子!我於經中復作是言:『三事和合,得受是身:一父、二母、三者中陰;是三和合,得受是身。』或時復說:『阿那含人現般涅槃,或於中陰入般涅槃。』或復說言:『中陰身根,具足明了,皆因往業,如淨醍醐。』善男子!我或時說:『弊惡眾生,所受中陰,如世間中麁澁氀褐。純善眾生所受中陰,如波羅奈所出白㲲。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說有中陰。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have also said: 'Through the coming together of three factors, this very body is received: first, the father; second, the mother; and third, the intermediate being — it is through the coming together of these three that this body is received.' And, on another occasion, I said: 'A non-returner may enter parinirvāṇa in this very present life, or may enter parinirvāṇa while still in the intermediate state.' And, on yet another occasion, I said: 'The faculties of the intermediate-state body are complete and lucid, entirely on account of past karma, like clarified ghee itself.' Good son, I have, at times, said: 'The intermediate state received by a thoroughly evil being is like coarse, rough wool-felt found in the world; the intermediate state received by a purely good being is like the fine white cloth produced in Vārāṇasī.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that there is an intermediate state.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我復為彼逆罪眾生,而作是言:『造五逆者,捨身直入阿鼻地獄。』我復說言:『曇摩留枝比丘,捨身直入阿鼻地獄,於其中間無止宿處。』我復為彼犢子梵志說言:『梵志!若有中陰,則有六有。』我復說言:『無色眾生,無有中陰。』善男子,我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說定無中陰。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, I also said, for the sake of those beings guilty of the five heinous crimes: 'One who has committed the five heinous crimes, upon relinquishing this body, falls directly into the Avīci hell.' And I further said: 'The monk Dharmaruci, upon relinquishing his own body, fell directly into the Avīci hell, with no resting-place at all in between.' And I further said, for the sake of the Vātsīputrīya brahmin: 'Brahmin, if there is an intermediate state, then there are six states of existence.' And I further said: 'Formless-realm beings have no intermediate state at all.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha definitively teaches that there is no intermediate state at all.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我於經中,復說有退。何以故?因於無量懈怠、懶惰諸比丘等不修道故,說退五種:一者樂於多事、二者樂說世事、三者樂於睡眠、四者樂近在家、五者樂多遊行,以是因緣令比丘退。說退因緣復有二種:一內、二外。阿羅漢人雖離內因,不離外因,以外因緣故則生煩惱,生煩惱故,則便退失。復有比丘,名曰瞿坻,六返退失,退已慚愧,復更進修,第七即得,得已恐失,以刀自害。我復或說有時解脫,或說六種阿羅漢等。我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來定說有退。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have also taught that there is retrogression. Why is this? Because of the countless idle, lazy monks who fail to cultivate the path, I have taught five kinds of retrogression: first, delighting in many affairs; second, delighting in worldly talk; third, delighting in sleep; fourth, delighting in staying close to householders; and fifth, delighting in excessive travel — it is on account of these very causes that a monk retrogresses. The causes of retrogression, further, are of two kinds: internal and external. Though an arhat has departed from internal causes, he has not departed from external causes — and, on account of external causes and conditions, affliction still arises, and, affliction having arisen, retrogression then follows. There was, further, a monk named Gotika, who retrogressed six separate times; each time, filled with shame, he advanced once more in his own cultivation, and, on the seventh occasion, attained his goal — yet, having attained it, fearing he might lose it once more, he took his own life with a blade. I have, further, at times spoken of timely liberation, and, at other times, of six kinds of arhat. My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that there is retrogression.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!經中復說,譬如焦炭,不還為木,亦如瓶壞,更無瓶用;煩惱亦爾,阿羅漢斷,終不還生。亦說眾生生煩惱因,凡有三種:一者未斷煩惱、二者不斷因緣、三者不善思惟。而阿羅漢無二因緣,謂斷煩惱無不善思惟。善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來定說無退。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have also said: it is exactly like charred coal, which never again becomes wood; or exactly like a broken vase, which can no longer serve as a vase — affliction, too, is exactly like this: once an arhat has severed it, it never arises again. I have also said that the causes giving rise to affliction in beings are, in all, of three kinds: first, affliction not yet severed; second, conditions not yet cut off; and third, unwise reflection — and an arhat lacks two of these causes, having severed affliction and being free of unwise reflection. Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that there is no retrogression at all.'"

Reading note — Ru-Yi

Gotika's story lands with particular weight precisely because it resists being folded neatly into either the "retrogression exists" or "retrogression does not exist" camp: he does retrogress, six times over, yet each fall is followed by renewed effort rather than final collapse, until the seventh attempt succeeds — and the fear of losing it a seventh time proves fatal in a different way than the falls themselves. The passage seems less interested in settling whether arhats "can" retrogress than in showing that the internal/external distinction governs which of two true statements applies to which arhat, at which stage, under which conditions — the same method this entire fascicle has been applying to every other apparent contradiction so far.

The Buddha's Two Bodies, and the Twelve Links

Chinese Source

「善男子!我於經中說如來身,凡有二種:一者生身、二者法身。言生身者,即是方便應化之身。如是身者,可得言是生老病死、長短黑白、是此是彼、是學無學。我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來定說佛身是有為法。法身即是常樂我淨,永離一切生老病死、非白非黑、非長非短、非此非彼、非學非無學。若佛出世及不出世,常住不動,無有變易。善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來定說佛身是無為法。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught that the Tathāgata's own body is, in all, of two kinds: first, the response-body; and second, the Dharma-body. By 'response-body' is meant simply the body of skillful means, manifested in response to conditions — a body of this kind may indeed be spoken of as subject to birth, old age, sickness, and death, as long or short, black or white, as this or that, as a learner or one beyond learning. My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that the Buddha's own body is a conditioned dharma.' The Dharma-body, however, is simply permanence, bliss, self, and purity itself, forever departed from all birth, old age, sickness, and death, neither white nor black, neither long nor short, neither this nor that, neither a learner nor one beyond learning — whether a buddha appears in the world or does not appear in the world, it abides forever, unmoving, without any change at all. Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that the Buddha's own body is an unconditioned dharma.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我經中說:『云何名為十二因緣?從無明生行,從行生識,從識生名色,從名色生六入,從六入生觸,從觸生受,從受生愛,從愛生取,從取生有,從有生生,從生則有老死憂苦。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說十二緣定是有為。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'What is meant by the twelve links? From ignorance arise formations; from formations arises consciousness; from consciousness arises name-and-form; from name-and-form arise the six sense-bases; from the six sense-bases arises contact; from contact arises feeling; from feeling arises craving; from craving arises grasping; from grasping arises becoming; from becoming arises birth; and from birth there is old age, death, sorrow, and suffering.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that the twelve links are definitively a conditioned dharma.'"

Chinese Source

「我又一時告喻比丘,而作是言:『十二因緣有佛無佛,性相常住。善男子!有十二緣不從緣生,有從緣生。非十二緣有從緣生,亦十二緣有非緣生非十二緣有。十二緣非緣生者,謂未來世十二支也。有從緣生非十二緣者,謂阿羅漢所有五陰。有從緣生亦十二緣者,謂凡夫人所有五陰。十二因緣有非緣生非十二緣者,謂虛空涅槃。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說十二緣,定是無為。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"And I, on another occasion, instructed a certain monk by way of simile, saying: 'The twelve links, whether or not a buddha appears in the world, have a nature and mark that abide forever.' Good son, there are twelve links that do not arise from conditions, and there are twelve links that do arise from conditions; there is what is not among the twelve links yet arises from conditions; and there is what is neither among the twelve links nor arises from conditions. That which is among the twelve links yet does not arise from conditions refers to the twelve factors as they exist in the future. That which arises from conditions yet is not among the twelve links refers to the five aggregates possessed by an arhat. That which arises from conditions and is also among the twelve links refers to the five aggregates possessed by an ordinary being. That which is neither among the twelve links nor arises from conditions refers to space and nirvāṇa. Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that the twelve links are definitively an unconditioned dharma.'"

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The fourfold classification in the third exchange is the same move used throughout the fascicle at a higher level of abstraction: rather than choosing between "the twelve links are conditioned" and "the twelve links are unconditioned," the text divides the very phrase "twelve links" into four distinct cases — future factors, an arhat's aggregates, an ordinary being's aggregates, and space-and-nirvāṇa — so that each of the two seemingly contradictory statements turns out to pick out a different one of these four. The two-bodies teaching does the identical work for the Buddha himself: the response-body is exactly what dependent origination describes, and the Dharma-body is exactly what stands permanently outside it, and neither statement about "the Buddha's body" is wrong once the hearer knows which body is meant.

Is the Mind Permanent? Do the Five Desires Obstruct the Path?

Chinese Source

「善男子!我經中說:『一切眾生作善惡業,捨身之時,四大於此即時散壞,純善業者心即上行,純惡業者心即下行。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說心定常。善男子!我於一時為頻婆娑羅王而作是言:『大王!當知色是無常。何以故?從無常因而得生故。是色若從無常因生,智者云何說言是常?若色是常,不應壞滅,生諸苦惱。今見是色散滅破壞,是故當知色是無常,乃至識亦如是。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說心定斷。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'When any being, having done good or evil karma, relinquishes this body, the four great elements at once scatter and disintegrate — one of purely good karma has a mind that at once rises upward, while one of purely evil karma has a mind that at once sinks downward.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that the mind is definitively permanent.' Good son, I, on another occasion, said, for King Bimbisāra's sake: 'Great king, you should know that form is impermanent. Why is this? Because it arises from an impermanent cause. If this very form arises from an impermanent cause, how could the wise possibly say that it is permanent? Were form permanent, it ought never to disintegrate and perish, giving rise to every kind of suffering and affliction — yet we now see this very form scatter, perish, and break apart, and so we should know that form is impermanent, and, all the way through, consciousness is exactly the same.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that the mind is definitively subject to annihilation.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我經中說:『我諸弟子受諸香花、金銀寶物、妻子奴婢、八不淨物,獲得正道,得正道已,亦不捨離。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,定言如來說受五欲,不妨聖道。又我一時復作是說:『在家之人得正道者,無有是處。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說受五欲,定遮正道。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'My own disciples, though receiving incense, flowers, gold, silver, and precious things, wives, children, servants, and the eight impure objects, have still attained the true path, and, having attained the true path, need not relinquish these things either.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so declared: 'The Tathāgata teaches that receiving the five desires does not obstruct the noble path.' And I, on another occasion, further said: 'That a householder should attain the true path — there is no such thing at all.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that receiving the five desires definitively obstructs the true path.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我經中說:『遠離煩惱未得解脫,猶如欲界修習世間第一法也。』善男子!我諸弟子聞作是說,不解我意,唱言如來說第一法唯是欲界。又復我說:『暖法、頂法、忍法、世間第一法,在於初禪至第四禪。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說如是法在於色界。又復我說:『諸外道等,先已得斷四禪煩惱,修習暖法、頂法、忍法、世第一法,觀四真諦,得阿那含果。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說第一法在無色界。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'One who is departed from affliction yet has not yet attained liberation is exactly like one in the desire realm cultivating the supreme worldly dharma.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that the supreme dharma belongs solely to the desire realm.' And I, further, said: 'The stages of heat, summit, patience, and the supreme worldly dharma occur from the first dhyāna up through the fourth dhyāna.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that dharmas of this kind belong to the form realm.' And I, further, said: 'Various non-Buddhist ascetics, having already severed the afflictions of the fourth dhyāna, cultivate the stages of heat, summit, patience, and the supreme worldly dharma, contemplate the four noble truths, and attain the fruit of non-returning.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that the supreme dharma belongs to the formless realm.'"

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The third exchange is the clearest case in the whole fascicle of the same teaching being given three separate audiences at three separate depths, rather than three contradictory claims: an ordinary practitioner still working with the coarsest desire-realm afflictions needs the supreme worldly dharma placed within reach, in the desire realm itself; a dhyāna practitioner needs it placed at the peak of the four form-realm absorptions; and a non-Buddhist ascetic who has already exhausted the fourth dhyāna's own afflictions through non-Buddhist methods needs it shown as still available to him, in what for him amounts to the formless realm. None of the three statements is the "real" one at the expense of the other two — each is calibrated to where the specific listener already stands.

Giving, and the Three Unconditioned Dharmas

Chinese Source

「善男子,我經中說:『四種施中,有三種淨:一者施主信因、信果、信施,受者不信、因、果與施;二者受者信因、果、施,施主不信因、果及施;三者施主受者,二俱有信;四者施主受者二俱不信。是四種施,初三種淨。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說施唯意。善男子,我於一時復作是說:『施者施時以五事施。何等為五?一者施色、二者施力、三者施安、四者施命、五者施辯,以是因緣,施主還得五事果報。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說施即五陰。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'Among four kinds of giving, three kinds are pure: first, where the donor believes in cause, believes in fruit, and believes in giving, while the recipient does not believe in cause, fruit, or giving; second, where the recipient believes in cause, fruit, and giving, while the donor does not believe in cause, fruit, or giving; third, where both donor and recipient believe; and fourth, where neither donor nor recipient believes. Of these four kinds of giving, the first three are pure.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that giving is a matter of intention alone.' Good son, I, on another occasion, further said: 'One who gives, in the act of giving, gives by way of five factors — what are these five? First, giving beauty; second, giving strength; third, giving ease; fourth, giving life; and fifth, giving eloquence — and, on account of these very causes and conditions, the donor, in turn, receives the fruit of these very five factors.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha teaches that giving is simply the five aggregates.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我於一時宣說:『涅槃即是遠離,煩惱永盡,滅無遺餘。猶如燈滅,更無法生,涅槃亦爾。言虛空者,即無所有,譬如世間無所有故,名為虛空。非智緣滅,即無所有。如其有者,應有因緣。有因緣故,應有盡滅。以其無故,無有盡滅。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說無三無為。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, I, on another occasion, proclaimed: 'Nirvāṇa is simply departure itself — affliction forever exhausted, extinguished without remainder, exactly like a lamp going out, with no further dharma arising at all: nirvāṇa is exactly like this. As for what is called space, it is simply the absence of anything at all — just as, in the world, wherever nothing at all exists, it is called space. And non-analytical cessation, too, is simply the absence of anything at all. Were any of these truly existent, they would necessarily have causes and conditions; and, having causes and conditions, they would necessarily have an end and a cessation — but, precisely because they do not exist, there is no end or cessation to speak of at all.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha teaches that there are no three unconditioned dharmas at all.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子,我於一時,為目乾連而作是言:『目連!夫涅槃者,即是章句、即是足跡、是畢竟處、是無所畏、即是大師、即是大果、是畢竟智、即是大忍無礙三昧、是大法界、是甘露味、即是難見。目連!若說無涅槃者,云何有人生誹謗者墮於地獄?』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說有涅槃。「復於一時,我為目連而作是說:『目連!眼不牢固,至身亦爾皆不牢固,不牢固故,名為虛空。食下迴轉,消化之處,一切音聲,皆名虛空。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來決定說有虛空無為。「復於一時為目連說:『目連!有人未得須陀洹果住忍法時,斷於無量三惡道報,當知不從智緣而滅。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來決定說有非智緣滅。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, I, on another occasion, said, for Maudgalyāyana's sake: 'Maudgalyāyana, nirvāṇa itself is the very passage of the teaching, the very footprint, the ultimate place, the place of fearlessness, the great teacher, the great fruit, the ultimate wisdom, the great, unobstructed samādhi of forbearance, the great Dharma-realm, the flavor of ambrosia, and the exceedingly difficult to behold. Maudgalyāyana, were there truly no nirvāṇa at all, how could it be that anyone who slanders it falls into hell?' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that nirvāṇa exists.' And, on another occasion, I said, further, for Maudgalyāyana's sake: 'Maudgalyāyana, the eye is not solid, and, extending to the whole body, everything is likewise not solid — and, precisely because it is not solid, it is called space. The place where food descends and turns, where it is digested, and every kind of sound, are all likewise called space.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that space is an unconditioned dharma that truly exists.' And, on another occasion, I said, further, for Maudgalyāyana's sake: 'Maudgalyāyana, a person who has not yet attained the fruit of stream-entry, while still abiding in the stage of patience, severs countless retributions of the three evil destinies — and you should know that this is not extinguished through the causal power of wisdom.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that there is a cessation not brought about by the causal power of wisdom.'"

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The negative account of the three unconditioned dharmas and the positive account given to Maudgalyāyana are not, on this reading, simply contradictory teachings averaged out to a middle position — they answer two different questions. "Does nirvāṇa have the kind of existence a conditioned thing has, arising from causes and destined to end?" No — and this is the point of the lamp-going-out simile: nothing further arises, so there is nothing there to have that kind of career. "Is nirvāṇa therefore nothing at all, a mere blank absence unworthy of the extravagant praise heaped on it elsewhere in this very sūtra?" Also no — and this is the point of the eleven honorific names given to Maudgalyāyana. The two teachings deny two different things: one denies conditioned existence, the other denies mere nothingness.

Form, and the Reality of Mental Factors

Chinese Source

「善男子!我又一時為跋波比丘說:『跋波!若比丘觀色已,若過去、若未來、若現在,若近、若遠、若麁、若細,如是等色,非我、我所。若有比丘如是觀已,能斷色愛。』跋波又言:『云何名色?』我言:『四大名色,四陰名名。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來決定說言,色是四大。善男子,我復說言:『譬如因鏡,則有像現。色亦如是,因四大造,所謂麁細、澁滑、青黃赤白、長短方圓、斜角輕重、寒熱飢渴、煙雲塵霧,是名造色,猶如響像。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說有四大則有造色,或有四大無有造色。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, I, on another occasion, said, for the monk Vappa's sake: 'Vappa, when a monk has contemplated form, whether past, future, or present, whether near or far, whether coarse or fine, all such form is neither the self nor anything belonging to the self. A monk who has contemplated in this way is able to sever craving for form.' Vappa then asked, further: 'What is meant by "form" and "name"?' I said: 'The four great elements are called form; the four aggregates are called name.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively teaches that form is simply the four great elements.' Good son, I have also said: 'It is exactly like a mirror, from which an image appears — form, too, is exactly like this, produced from the four great elements, that is to say, coarseness and fineness, roughness and smoothness, blue, yellow, red, and white, long and short, square and round, oblique-angled, light and heavy, cold and hot, hunger and thirst, smoke, cloud, dust, and mist — all of these are called derived form, exactly like an echo or a reflection.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that wherever the four great elements exist, derived form exists, or else that there may be the four great elements without any derived form at all.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!往昔一時,菩提王子作如是言:『若有比丘護持禁戒,若發惡心,當知是時失比丘戒。』我時語言:『菩提王子!戒有七種,從於身口、有無作色。以是無作色因緣故,其心雖在惡無記中,不名失戒,猶名持戒。以何因緣名無作色?非異色因,不作異色因果。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說有無作色。善男子!我於餘經作如是言:『戒者即是遮制惡法,若不作惡是名持戒。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來決定宣說,無無作色。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in ages past, Prince Bodhi once said: 'Should a monk, though upholding the precepts, give rise to an evil thought, one should know that, at that very moment, he loses the monastic precepts.' I then said: 'Prince Bodhi, the precepts are of seven kinds, arising from body and speech, and possess an unmanifest form. On account of this very unmanifest form, though the mind may dwell in an evil or morally neutral state, one is not said to have lost the precepts, but is still said to be upholding them. For what reason is this called "unmanifest form"? Because it is not the cause of any other form, nor does it produce the cause and fruit of any other form.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha teaches that there is unmanifest form.' Good son, in another sūtra I have said: 'The precepts are simply the restraining and checking of evil dharmas — one who does not commit evil is said to be upholding the precepts.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata definitively proclaims that there is no unmanifest form at all.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子,我於經中作如是說:『聖人色陰乃至識陰,皆是無明因緣所出。一切凡夫亦復如是,從無明生愛,當知是愛即是無明;從愛生取,當知是取即無明愛;從取生有,是有即是無明愛取;從有生受,當知是受即是行有;從受因緣生於名色、無明、愛取、有行、受、觸、識、六入等,是故受者即十二支。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說無心數。善男子,我於經中作如是說:『從眼、色、明、惡欲等四,則生眼識。言惡欲者,即是無明。欲性求時,即名為愛。愛因緣取,取名為業。業因緣識,識緣名色,名色緣六入,六入緣觸,觸緣想、受、愛、信、精進、定慧。如是等法,因觸而生,然非是觸。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說有心數。善男子!我或時說,唯有一有;或說二、三、四、五六七八九,至二十五。我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說有五有,或言六有。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'For the noble one, form and, all the way through, consciousness itself are all produced from the very cause and condition of ignorance. Every ordinary being is exactly the same: from ignorance craving arises, and one should know that this very craving is itself ignorance; from craving grasping arises, and one should know that this very grasping is itself ignorance-and-craving; from grasping becoming arises, and this very becoming is itself ignorance, craving, and grasping; from becoming feeling arises, and one should know that this very feeling is itself formations-and-becoming; and, from the very cause and condition of feeling, name-and-form, ignorance, craving-and-grasping, becoming-and-formations, feeling, contact, consciousness, and the six sense-bases all arise — and so feeling itself is simply the twelve factors.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that there are no distinct mental factors at all.' Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'From these four — the eye, form, light, and unwholesome desire — eye-consciousness then arises. By "unwholesome desire" is meant simply ignorance itself; and, at the moment desire's own nature seeks something, it is called craving. From craving arises grasping through causes and conditions, and grasping is called karmic action. From karmic action, by causes and conditions, arises consciousness; consciousness conditions name-and-form; name-and-form conditions the six sense-bases; the six sense-bases condition contact; and contact conditions perception, feeling, craving, faith, diligence, concentration, and wisdom — dharmas of this kind arise on account of contact, and yet are not themselves identical to contact.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that distinct mental factors do exist.' Good son, I have, at times, said that there is but a single state of existence; and, at other times, said that there are two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, or nine, up to twenty-five. My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that there are five states of existence,' or else: 'that there are six.'"

Reading note — Ru-Yi

This section's three doublets (four-elements/derived-form, unmanifest-form/no-unmanifest-form, no-mental-factors/mental-factors) again read as real historical Abhidharma fault-lines rather than invented puzzles — the reality of avijñapti-rūpa and the status of caitasika mental factors as distinct from consciousness itself were live disputes among the early schools, exactly as Kāśyapa's catalogue in Part 33 anticipated. The unmanifest-form exchange is the most vivid: Prince Bodhi's worry is a real practical one (does a single flash of ill will undo months of discipline?), and the "unmanifest form" answer functions less as physics than as a way of saying that a vow's own momentum persists through a passing lapse in a way that a single moment's mental state cannot fully undo — which the "precepts are simply restraint from evil acts" teaching then balances by insisting that actual conduct, not metaphysical residue, is what ultimately counts.

Precepts Kept and Precepts Broken

Chinese Source

「善男子,我往一時住迦毘羅衛尼拘陀林時,釋摩男來至我所,作如是言:『云何名為優婆塞也?』我即為說:『若有善男子、善女人,諸根完具,受三歸依,是則名為優婆塞也。』釋摩男言:『世尊!云何名為一分優婆塞?』我言:『摩男!若受三歸及受一戒,是名一分優婆塞也。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說優婆塞戒不具受得。善男子!我於一時住恒河邊,爾時迦旃延來至我所,作如是言:『世尊!我教眾生令受齋法,或一日、或一夜、或一時、或一念,如是之人,成齋不耶?』我言:『比丘!是人得善,不名得齋。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說八戒齋具受乃得。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, I, on another occasion, while dwelling at the Nyagrodha grove in Kapilavastu, was approached by Mahānāma, who said: 'What is meant by an "upāsaka"?' I then taught him, saying: 'Should any good son or good daughter, complete in every faculty, receive the three refuges, such a one is then called an upāsaka.' Mahānāma said, further: 'World-Honored One, what is meant by a "one-portion upāsaka"?' I said: 'Mahānāma, should one receive the three refuges together with a single precept, this is called a one-portion upāsaka.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that the upāsaka precepts may be received without receiving them in full.' Good son, I, on another occasion, while dwelling by the banks of the Ganges, was approached by Kātyāyana, who said: 'World-Honored One, when I teach beings to undertake the fasting observance, whether for a single day, a single night, a single hour, or a single moment of thought — does such a person accomplish the fasting observance or not?' I said: 'Monk, such a person attains something wholesome, but is not said to have accomplished the fasting observance.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that the eight-precept fasting observance is attained only through receiving it in full.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我於經中作如是說:『若有比丘犯四重已,不名比丘,名破比丘、亡失比丘,不復能生善牙種子。譬如焦種不生果實,如多羅樹,頭若斷壞,則不生果。犯重比丘亦復如是。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說,諸比丘犯重禁已,失比丘戒。善男子!我於經中為純陀說:『四種比丘,一者畢竟到道、二者示道、三者受道、四者污道,犯四重者即是污道。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說諸比丘犯四重已,不失禁戒。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'Should a monk violate any of the four gravest precepts, he is no longer called a monk, but is called a broken monk, a monk who has lost himself, one no longer able to give rise to the wholesome sprout of the seed. It is exactly like a scorched seed, which never bears fruit; or exactly like a tāla tree, which, once its crown is cut off and destroyed, never again bears fruit — a monk who has violated the gravest precepts is exactly the same.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that monks who have violated the gravest precepts have thereby lost the monastic precepts entirely.' Good son, in the sūtras I have taught, for Cunda's sake: 'There are four kinds of monk: first, one who has ultimately arrived at the path; second, one who merely points out the path; third, one who receives the path; and fourth, one who pollutes the path — one who violates the four gravest precepts is simply this fourth kind, one who pollutes the path.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that monks who have violated the four gravest precepts have not thereby lost the precepts at all.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我於經中告諸比丘:『一乘、一道、一行、一緣,如是一乘乃至一緣,能為眾生作大寂靜,永斷一切繫縛、愁苦、苦及苦因,令一切眾到於一有。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說須陀洹乃至阿羅漢人皆得佛道。善男子!我於經中說:『須陀洹人,人間天上七返往來,便般涅槃。斯陀含人,一受人天,便般涅槃。阿那含人,凡有五種,或有中間般涅槃者,乃至上流般涅槃者。阿羅漢人凡有二種,一者現在、二者未來,現在亦斷煩惱五陰,未來亦斷煩惱五陰。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言如來說須陀洹至阿羅漢不得佛道。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in the sūtras I have taught, addressing the monks: 'One vehicle, one path, one practice, one condition — this one vehicle, all the way through to this one condition, is able to bring about great stillness for beings, forever severing every bond, every sorrow and suffering, suffering itself, and the cause of suffering, and bringing every being to but a single state of existence.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that stream-enterers, all the way through to arhats, all attain the buddha path.' Good son, in the sūtras I have taught: 'A stream-enterer, passing back and forth between the human and heavenly realms seven times, then enters parinirvāṇa. A once-returner, receiving a single further birth among humans and gods, then enters parinirvāṇa. A non-returner is, in all, of five kinds, ranging from one who enters parinirvāṇa in the intermediate state, all the way through to one who enters parinirvāṇa by rising to the highest heaven. An arhat is, in all, of two kinds: one in the present life, and one in a future life — in the present life, too, he severs afflictions and the five aggregates, and in a future life, too, he severs afflictions and the five aggregates.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Tathāgata teaches that stream-enterers, all the way through to arhats, do not attain the buddha path.'"

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The "polluting the path" teaching given to Cunda is the fascicle's own quiet answer to the Sunakṣatra material that closed Part 33: a monk who violates one of the four gravest precepts is not thereby expelled from the community of those still capable of practice, only demoted from a higher category to the lowest of four — a real fall, but not an absolute one, and importantly not the same as an icchantika's total severing of wholesome roots. The one-vehicle/technical-fruits doublet works the same way as the entire fascicle's method: "all attain buddhahood" describes the ultimate destination that the one vehicle guarantees, while the detailed accounts of each fruit's own distinct parinirvāṇa describe the real, distinguishable stages traversed on the way there — a long view and a close view of the identical path.

Buddha-Nature: Same as Beings, or Apart From Them?

Chinese Source

「善男子!我於此經說言:『佛性具有六事:一常、二實、三真、四善、五淨、六可見。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說,眾生佛性離眾生有。善男子!我又說言:『眾生佛性猶如虛空,虛空者非過去、非未來、非現在、非內、非外,非是色、聲、香、味、觸攝,佛性亦爾。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說,眾生佛性離眾生有。善男子!我又復說:『眾生佛性,猶如貧女宅中寶藏,力士額上金剛寶珠,轉輪聖王甘露之泉。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說,眾生佛性離眾生有。善男子!我又復說:『犯四重禁、一闡提人、謗方等經、作五逆罪,皆有佛性。如是眾生都無善法,佛性是善。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說,眾生佛性離眾生有。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in this very sūtra I have taught: 'Buddha-nature possesses, in full, six qualities: first, permanence; second, reality; third, truth; fourth, goodness; fifth, purity; and sixth, visibility.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha teaches that beings' own buddha-nature exists apart from beings themselves.' Good son, I have also said: 'Beings' own buddha-nature is exactly like space — space is neither past, nor future, nor present, neither internal nor external, and is not included among form, sound, smell, taste, or touch; buddha-nature, too, is exactly the same.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha teaches that beings' own buddha-nature exists apart from beings themselves.' Good son, I have also further said: 'Beings' own buddha-nature is exactly like the hidden treasure within a poor woman's house, or the diamond jewel upon a wrestler's own forehead, or a wheel-turning sage-king's own spring of ambrosia.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha teaches that beings' own buddha-nature exists apart from beings themselves.' Good son, I have also further said: 'One who has violated the four gravest precepts, an icchantika, one who slanders the Vaipulya sūtras, one who has committed the five heinous crimes — all of these still possess buddha-nature. Beings such as these possess no wholesome dharma at all, and yet buddha-nature is itself wholesome.' My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha teaches that beings' own buddha-nature exists apart from beings themselves.'"

Chinese Source

「善男子!我又復說:『眾生者即是佛性。何以故?若離眾生,不得阿耨多羅三藐三菩提。是故我與波斯匿王說於象喻,如盲說象,雖不得象,然不離象。眾生說色乃至說識是佛性者,亦復如是,雖非佛性,非不佛性。如我為王說箜篌喻,佛性亦爾。』善男子!我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,作種種說。如盲問乳,佛性亦爾,以是因緣,或有說言犯四重禁、謗方等經、作五逆罪、一闡提等,悉有佛性,或說言無。」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, I have also further said: 'Beings themselves are simply buddha-nature — why is this? Because, apart from beings, supreme, perfect awakening cannot be attained. It is for this very reason that I taught King Prasenajit the simile of the elephant: just as the blind men, describing the elephant, do not grasp the elephant as it truly is, and yet are not apart from the elephant either — so too, when beings describe form, and, all the way through, consciousness itself, as buddha-nature, it is exactly the same: though this is not truly buddha-nature, it is not entirely apart from buddha-nature either. Just as I taught the king the simile of the lute, buddha-nature, too, is exactly like this.' Good son, my own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and spoke of it in every kind of different way — exactly like the blind men each asking about milk, buddha-nature, too, is exactly like this. On account of this very matter, some say that one who has violated the four gravest precepts, slandered the Vaipulya sūtras, committed the five heinous crimes, or is an icchantika, entirely possesses buddha-nature, while others say that he does not."

Reading note — Ru-Yi

This is the fascicle's own capstone, and it names its own method openly: the blind-men-and-the-elephant simile, first given in Part 32 to explain why beings misdescribe buddha-nature when they identify it with any single aggregate, is here explicitly reused — by the text itself, not by this translation's own commentary — to explain the entire twenty-dispute structure of Parts 33 and 34 together. Every doctrine so far in this fascicle has been one hand on one part of the elephant: true as far as it goes, wrong only if mistaken for the whole animal. And the "beings apart from buddha-nature" / "beings are buddha-nature" pair is not resolved by picking a side — it is resolved by pointing out that both descriptions are the whole elephant felt from different hands, exactly as the sūtra's own closing line insists: some rightly say the gravest offenders possess buddha-nature, some rightly say they do not, and neither is describing something other than the single elephant everyone is touching.

Are There Buddhas of the Ten Directions?

Chinese Source

「善男子,我於處處經中說言:『一人出世多人利益,一國土中二轉輪王,一世界中二佛出世,無有是處。一四天下,八四天王乃至二他化自在天,亦無是處。』然我乃說:『從閻浮提、阿鼻地獄,上至阿迦膩吒天。』我諸弟子聞是說已,不解我意,唱言佛說,無十方佛。我亦於諸大乘經中說有十方佛。◎」

Ru-Yi Translation

"Good son, in sūtras throughout, I have taught: 'When a single person appears in the world, many people benefit thereby — yet that a single land should have two wheel-turning sage-kings, or that a single world-system should have two buddhas appear within it, there is no such thing at all. That a single four-continent world should have eight sets of four heavenly kings, or two Paranirmita-vaśavartin heavens, there is likewise no such thing at all.' And yet I have also spoken of a single such reach extending from Jambudvīpa and the Avīci hell, all the way up to the Akaniṣṭha heaven. My own disciples, hearing this teaching, failed to understand my own intention, and so proclaimed: 'The Buddha teaches that there are no buddhas of the ten directions at all.' Yet I have also, in the various Mahāyāna sūtras, taught that there are buddhas of the ten directions."

Reading note — Ru-Yi

The fascicle closes on the widest-scoped of all twenty disputes, and leaves it standing exactly where it began — one world-system, one buddha at a time, and yet the Mahāyāna sūtras' own testimony of buddhas without number filling the ten directions. No further reconciling clause is supplied here, unlike almost every prior dispute in this fascicle; the text simply states both teachings side by side and stops. Read against everything that has come before, this reads less like an oversight than like a final instance of the same lesson pressed to its outer edge: some questions do not need to be — perhaps cannot be — closed by a single further sentence, and the willingness to let two true statements stand unreconciled is itself part of what "the fifth power, the power of liberating interpretation," named at the very end of Part 33, actually means in practice.

Part 34 Complete

Every one of Kāśyapa's twenty apparent contradictions from the end of Part 33 has now been answered — not by declaring a winner in each pair, but by restoring the specific person, moment, and need each half of the pair was spoken for. Self and no-self, the intermediate state affirmed and denied, retrogression taught both ways, the Buddha's two bodies, the twelve links conditioned and unconditioned, the mind permanent and impermanent, the five desires permitted and forbidden, the three unconditioned dharmas denied and defended, form as bare elements and form as derived quality, precepts lost and precepts merely polluted, one vehicle and five distinct fruits, and, at the center of it all, buddha-nature apart from beings and buddha-nature as beings themselves — every pair turns out to be two hands on one elephant. Part 35 continues the 迦葉菩薩品, the twelfth chapter, in its third fascicle.

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