Does the Eye Travel to What It Sees?
Refuting the Faculties破情品第五
Having lost the pot, the Outsider falls back on the one thing he can still call his own: the act of knowing, going on right now, in front of everyone. The chapter takes that act apart along one deceptively physical question — when you see the moon, does something go out from your eye to reach it, or not? Both answers fail, and so do the repairs: seeing cannot be the eye's own mark, a fingertip cannot rescue it, and a mind that travelled would leave a corpse behind. What is left at the end is a conjunction in which no member can see.
1. Knowledge Is Right Here
The argument runs backward from an undeniable fact to the machinery that must produce it. Knowing is happening; knowing arises when faculty, object and mind come together; therefore those three exist, and with them the whole furniture the last two chapters dismantled.
外曰:定有我所有法,現前有故(修妬路)。情塵意合故知生,此知是現前知,是知實有故,情塵意有。
Outsider: There certainly are things belonging to me, because they are present before us.sūtra Knowledge arises from the conjunction of faculty, object and mind. This knowledge is a knowledge present before us; and since this knowledge really exists, faculty, object and mind exist.
內曰:見色已,知生何用(修妬路)。若眼先見色,然後知生者,知復何用?若先知生,然後眼見色者,是亦不然。何以故?若不見色,因緣無故生亦無(修妬路)。若眼先不見色,則因緣不合,不合故知不應生。汝言情塵意合故知生,若不合時知生者,是則不然。
Insider: Once color has been seen, what use is the arising of knowledge?sūtra If the eye first sees color and knowledge arises afterward, what further use is that knowledge? And if knowledge arises first and the eye sees color afterward, that too will not do. Why? If color is not seen, then the causes and conditions being absent, the arising is absent too.sūtra If the eye has not first seen color, the causes and conditions are not conjoined; and being unconjoined, knowledge should not arise. You say that knowledge arises from the conjunction of faculty, object and mind — and if knowledge arises when they are not conjoined, that will not do.
The whole chapter is generated by a question the Outsider did not realize he had answered twice. His formula has two elements — a seeing performed by the eye, and a knowing that arises from the conjunction — and it never says which comes first.
Put the seeing first and the knowing is unemployed: the color has already been taken in, the work is done, and the knowledge that shows up afterward has nothing to do. Put the knowing first and it has arrived before its own conditions, which contradicts the formula itself, since the knowing was defined as what arises from the conjunction.
Notice that this is the same question — 復何用, what further use? — that ran through the refutation of the self in Part 6. There it exposed a self with no work left after the mind had done the knowing. Here it exposes a knowing with no work left after the eye has done the seeing. The treatise is applying a single test to whatever gets posited: once you have described the process fully, is there anything for the extra item to do?
2. Then Let Them Arise Together
The obvious escape from a sequence problem is to abolish the sequence. The reply is the three-way analysis that this treatise uses whenever anything is said to arise, and it has already been used against the auspicious in Part 2.
外曰:若一時生,有何過?內曰:若一時生,是事不然。生無生共不一時生,有故無故,先已破故(修妬路)。若見知先有,相待一時生,若先無,若先半有半無,於三中一時生者,是則不然。何以故?若先有見知者,不應更生,以有故。若先無者,亦不應生,以無故。若無者,則無相待,亦無生。若半有半無者,前二修妬路各已破故。復次一法云何亦有亦無?復次若一時生,知不待見、見不待知。
Outsider: If they arise at the same time, what is the fault?
Insider: If they arise at the same time, that will not do. The arisen, the unarisen, and both together do not arise at the same time — because they exist, because they do not exist, and because this has been refuted already.sūtra Whether seeing and knowing exist beforehand and arise together in mutual dependence, or do not exist beforehand, or are beforehand half existent and half not — that they should arise at the same time in any of these three ways will not do. Why? If seeing and knowing exist beforehand, they should not arise again, since they are already there. If they do not exist beforehand, they should not arise either, since they are not there; and what is not there has nothing to stand in mutual dependence with, and does not arise. And if they are half existent and half not, the two preceding sūtra lines have each refuted that already. Furthermore, how should one and the same thing be both existent and non-existent? Furthermore, if they arise at the same time, then knowing does not depend on seeing and seeing does not depend on knowing.
The three-way test is the treatise's standard instrument and it is worth having in one place. Anything said to arise is either already there, not there at all, or half and half. If it is already there, arising adds nothing. If it is not there, there is nothing to do the arising. And "half arisen" is not a third option but a contradiction wearing a disguise — the same thing said to be and not to be in the same respect.
The last clause is the sharpest and is easy to read past. The Outsider chose simultaneity to preserve the tight fit between seeing and knowing. But strict simultaneity destroys dependence: if the two arise together, neither is waiting on the other, and the formula "knowledge arises from the conjunction" is abandoned. He has paid for the fit with the very relation the fit was supposed to explain — which is the same fault the Twelve Gate Treatise names with the horns of an ox, which grow at once and so cannot cause each other.
3. Does the Eye Travel?
Now the chapter's central question, and it is asked as if it were a question in optics. If seeing requires the eye to make contact with its object, then either something goes out from the eye or it does not. Six root lines follow in quick succession, and between them they close every exit.
復次眼為到色見耶?為不到色見耶?若眼去,遠遲見(修妬路)。若眼去到色乃見者,遠色應遲見、近色應速見。何以故?去法爾故。而今近瓶遠月一時見,是故知眼不去,若不去則無和合。復次若眼力不到色而見色者,何故見近不見遠?遠近應一時見。
Furthermore: does the eye see by reaching the color, or by not reaching it? If the eye travels, distant things are seen late.sūtra If the eye travels and reaches the color before it sees, then distant colors should be seen late and near ones quickly. Why? Because that is how travelling works. But in fact a pot close by and the distant moon are seen at one and the same moment — from which one knows that the eye does not travel; and if it does not travel, there is no conjunction. Furthermore, if the eye's power sees color without reaching it, why does it see what is near and not what is far? Near and far should be seen at the same time.
復次眼設去者,為見已去耶?為不見去耶?若見已,去復何用(修妬路)。若眼先見色,事已辨,去復何用?若不見,去不如意所取(修妬路)。若眼先不見色而去者,如意所取則不能取,眼無知故,趣東則西。
Furthermore, granting that the eye travels: does it travel having already seen, or travel without seeing? If it has already seen, what use is the travelling?sūtra If the eye has already seen the color, the business is settled — what use is the travelling? And if it has not seen, it cannot take hold of what the mind intends.sūtra If the eye travels without having seen the color first, then it cannot take hold of what the mind intends to take, since the eye has no knowledge of its own — it sets out for the east and goes west.
復次無眼處亦不取(修妬路)。若眼去到色而取色者,身則無眼。身無眼故,此則無取。若眼不去而取色者,色則無眼。色無眼故,彼亦無取。復次若眼不去而取色者,應見天上色及障外色。然不見,是故此事非也。
Furthermore, where there is no eye, there is also no taking hold.sūtra If the eye travels and reaches the color and there takes hold of it, then there is no eye in the body; and there being no eye in the body, there is no taking hold here. And if the eye takes hold of the color without travelling, then there is no eye at the color; and there being no eye there, there is no taking hold there either. Furthermore, if the eye takes hold of color without travelling, it should see the colors in the heavens and the colors behind a wall. But it does not — and so this will not do.
The moon and the pot make an argument that is genuinely empirical, and it is worth noticing that the treatise is willing to reason this way. Step outside, look at a pot at your feet and the moon overhead: they arrive together. If seeing required a journey, the moon should lag, and by an enormous margin. It does not. So nothing travels.
But the reply immediately runs the opposite objection with equal force, and this is what makes the section more than a physics argument. If nothing travels — if distance is simply irrelevant to seeing — then why is there any limit at all? Why does a wall stop sight, and why can you not see what is on the far side of the world? Distance manifestly matters, and manifestly does not behave like a journey. Both models are refuted by ordinary observation, and neither party has a third.
Then the two dilemmas that finish it, and they are the elegant part. First, whether the travelling eye has seen before it sets out: if it has, the journey is pointless; if it has not, it is blind, and a blind traveller cannot find what the mind wanted — 趣東則西, it sets out for the east and goes west. Second, and best, the question of location. Wherever the eye is, seeing happens there and not elsewhere. Send it to the moon and your face is empty. Keep it in your face and nothing is present at the moon. The taking-hold has to occur where both parties are, and on either model they are never in the same place.
This is the same structure the treatise ran against the lamp in Part 2 — the lamp that never reaches the darkness — and it is the structure the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā gives at length in its chapters on motion and on seeing. Contact between two things, each of which has to be somewhere, turns out to have no place to happen.
4. Seeing as the Eye's Own Nature, and the Fingertip
The Outsider gives up on mechanism. Seeing is simply what an eye is — 性自爾故, its nature is just so — and natures do not require explanation. The reply is the argument from Chapter Two, brought over intact.
外曰:眼相見故(修妬路)。見是眼相,於緣中有力能取,性自爾故。
內曰:若眼見相自見眼(修妬路)。若眼見相,如火熱相自熱能令他熱,如是眼若見相應自見眼。然不見,是故眼非見相。
Outsider: Because seeing is the eye's mark.sūtra Seeing is the eye's mark; among its conditions it has the power to take hold, because its nature is simply so.
Insider: If seeing is the eye's mark, it should see the eye itself.sūtra If seeing is the eye's mark, then — as heat is fire's mark, so that fire is hot of itself and can make other things hot — the eye, if seeing is its mark, should see the eye itself. But it does not, and so seeing is not the eye's mark.
外曰:如指(修妬路)。眼雖見相,不自見眼。如指端不能自觸,如是眼雖見相,不能自見。
內曰:不然。觸指業故(修妬路)。觸是指業非指相。汝言見是眼相者,何不自見眼?是故指喻非也。
Outsider: As with a finger.sūtra Though seeing is the eye's mark, it does not see the eye itself — just as a fingertip cannot touch itself. Just so, though seeing is the eye's mark, it cannot see itself.
Insider: Not so. Because touching is the finger's act.sūtra Touching is the finger's act, not the finger's mark. But you say that seeing is the eye's mark — so why does it not see the eye itself? Your finger simile therefore does not hold.
The fire returns for the fourth time in this treatise, and by now its role is fixed: it is the model of a mark that is genuinely inseparable from what bears it. Fire is not hot on the outside and cool within; the heat is everywhere the fire is, which is exactly why heat can serve as fire's mark. Make seeing the eye's mark in that strong sense and the eye should be no less illuminated to itself than the room is.
The fingertip is the Outsider's best reply and it fails on a distinction the treatise has already established. In Part 5 the hand was offered as a self that is a self even when not grasping, and the answer was that grasping is the hand's act and not its mark. The same answer is available here without modification: a fingertip is recognized by its shape, not by its touching, so its inability to touch itself takes nothing away from what it is. The Outsider, however, has explicitly said that seeing is the eye's mark — its identifying nature, not something it does — and marks are not intermittent and do not have exceptions.
This consistency across chapters is one of the treatise's virtues and it repays attention. The mark-versus-act distinction was established against the self in Chapter Two and is simply picked up and used here against the eye. The book accumulates tools.
5. Then Let the Mind Go Out
The Outsider's last mechanical proposal, and a subtle one: it is not the eye that travels but its light, and the mind goes with it. The reply notices what a travelling mind would leave behind.
外曰:光意去故見色(修妬路)。眼光及意去故,到彼能取色。
內曰:若意去到色,此無覺(修妬路)。意若到色者,意則在彼。意若在彼,身則無意,猶如死人。然意實不去,遠近一時取故。雖念過去未來,念不在過去未來,念時不去故。
Outsider: It sees color because light and mind go out.sūtra Because the eye's light and the mind go out and reach the object, they can take hold of the color.
Insider: If the mind goes out and reaches the color, then here there is no awareness.sūtra If the mind reaches the color, then the mind is over there; and if the mind is over there, there is no mind in the body, and the body is like a corpse. But in fact the mind does not go out, since near and far are taken hold of at the same moment. And though one remembers the past and the future, the remembering is not in the past or the future, for in remembering there is no going.
外曰:意在身(修妬路)。意雖在身而能遠知。
內曰:若爾不合(修妬路)。若意在身而色在彼,色在彼故則無和合,若無和合不能取色。
外曰:不然。意光色合故見(修妬路)。眼意在身和合,以意力故令眼光與色合,如是見色,是故不失和合。
Outsider: The mind stays in the body.sūtra Though the mind stays in the body, it can know at a distance.
Insider: If so, there is no conjunction.sūtra If the mind is in the body while the color is over there, then, the color being over there, there is no conjunction; and without conjunction it cannot take hold of the color.
Outsider: Not so. Seeing occurs because mind, light and color are conjoined.sūtra The eye and the mind are conjoined within the body; and by the mind's power the eye's light is made to conjoin with the color. In this way color is seen, and so conjunction is not lost.
The corpse is the decisive image, and it is decisive because both parties have already agreed to it. Back in Part 5 the Outsider himself argued for a self from the difference between a living body and a dead one, and in Part 6 he explained that a dead man does not see because he has no mind. So mind-in-the-body is what makes a body alive, on his own account. Send the mind to the moon and you have described a corpse looking at the moon.
The observation about memory is a small piece of phenomenology and very well made. When you remember last summer, nothing of you goes to last summer; the remembering happens now, here, complete. Reaching a distant object in thought is not a journey, and the Outsider's whole model treats it as one.
The final proposal is his most ingenious and is worth stating fairly: mind and eye stay home, and what travels is the eye's light, dispatched under the mind's power to make contact with the color out there. Every party is where it should be, and the conjunction is preserved through an intermediary. It is a genuinely good repair. What it cannot survive is the question the next section asks — not how the parties are connected, but which of them, once connected, is doing the seeing.
6. No One Left to See
The chapter's conclusion abandons the geography entirely. Grant the conjunction; grant that everything is in contact with everything. Now name the member of that conjunction that sees.
內曰若和合故見生,無見者(修妬路)。汝謂和合故見色,若言但眼見色、但意取色者,是事不然。
外曰:受和合故取色成(修妬路)。汝受和合,則有和合。若有和合,應有取色。
Insider: If seeing arises from conjunction, there is no seer.sūtra You hold that color is seen because of conjunction. To say then that the eye alone sees the color, or that the mind alone takes hold of the color, will not do.
Outsider: Since you accept conjunction, the taking hold of color is established.sūtra You accept conjunction, and so there is conjunction; and if there is conjunction, there must be a taking hold of color.
內曰:意非見、眼非知、色非見知,云何見(修妬路)。意異眼故,意非見相。非見相故,不能見眼。四大造故,非知相。非知相故,不能知色,亦非見相,亦非知相。如是雖復和合,云何取色?耳鼻舌身亦如是破。
Insider: The mind is not seeing, the eye is not knowing, and color is neither seeing nor knowing — how then is there seeing?sūtra The mind is other than the eye, and so the mind has not seeing for its mark; not having seeing for its mark, it cannot see. The eye, being made of the four great elements, has not knowing for its mark; and not having knowing for its mark, it cannot know color. And color is neither a seeing nor a knowing. So although they be conjoined, how is color taken hold of? Ear, nose, tongue and body are to be refuted in this same way.
This is the chapter's real conclusion and it is a demand for an inventory. Three things are in contact. Go through them one at a time.
The mind is not the eye — the Outsider has insisted on this himself, since he needs them to be two things that conjoin — so seeing is not the mind's mark, and the mind does not see. The eye is a physical organ, built from the four great elements, so knowing is not its mark, and the eye does not know. And the color is just a color: it neither sees nor knows anything. Three items, none of which can do the job, however tightly you press them together. Conjunction does not manufacture a capacity that none of the parties has.
The force of this depends entirely on the Outsider's own dualism, and that is what makes it more than a trick. He needed the mind and the eye to be really distinct — otherwise there was nothing to conjoin, and his whole account of perception collapsed at the start. But really distinct things keep their own natures, which is the principle the treatise established back with the salt in Part 2 and the ox in Part 4: 鹽相鹽中住, the mark of salt abides in salt. Marks do not migrate across a conjunction. So the very distinctness that made the mechanism possible guarantees that the mechanism cannot work.
Two small textual points, since readers of the Chinese will notice them. The 內曰 that opens this section is not followed by the colon that appears everywhere else in the chapter — a small irregularity in the received text, which we have translated as though the colon were present. And the received punctuation reads 非見相故,不能見眼。四大造故,非知相。, attaching 眼 to the preceding clause. Since it is the eye and not the mind that is made of the four great elements, the character plainly begins the next sentence, and we have translated it so; the punctuation, not the text, is what we depart from.
Finally, the closing sentence is worth registering for how much it does in seven characters: ear, nose, tongue and body are to be refuted in this same way. One faculty has been examined and the other four are dispatched by analogy. This is a habit worth watching for — the same thing happens to the forest and the army in Part 7. The treatise argues one case thoroughly and then asserts the generalization, and the reader is expected to have understood the argument well enough to run it themselves.
Part Nine Complete
This closes Part Nine: the knowing that is either idle or premature; the three-way test that leaves no way for seeing and knowing to arise together; the moon and the pot arriving at once, and the wall that stops sight anyway; the travelling eye that is either redundant or blind, and that leaves either the face or the object without an eye in it; seeing declined as the eye's mark, since a mark does not exempt itself; the fingertip that touches by act and not by mark; the mind that would leave a corpse if it went out; and finally a conjunction of three members, no one of which can see.
Chapter Six turns the same instrument on what was being perceived. If the faculty cannot reach the object, what of the object itself — is a pot ever actually seen? Only its color is visible; its smell and taste and hardness are not. And a chapter that begins with that observation ends by asking whether there is any present moment for perception to happen in.